Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different?

Why won't you answer me? I refuted everything you said how come I don't get a response?

What guides your moral standard?

If not the dusty ol book of the bible then what?

I'm waiting anxiously

I think you meant "embedded in nature" but hey what's a spelling mistake or two...lol

Why do people people always link pedophilia to homosexuality? It is a cheap diversionary tactic.

However, I don't know if a pedophile has a choice. That is at least a reasonable question.

That is not what makes it illegal. As I said above it is the abuse of power to harm someone else or creature that makes Pedophilia, bestiality and other such crimes a crime.

If homosexuality is consenting between two adults, and they have been homosexual all their lives it is natural.

You may not like it, but that is just how it is.

You can twist and turn as much as you like, you can hate the act, you can listen to morons for all that counts, the fact is that with many homosexuals it is how they were made.

If everyone just approached the subject rationally, without the bigotry, they would see I am correct.

Live and let live I say!

Stop discriminating against homosexuals... You fail your GOD by doing it. It is not your right.

I didn't watch the video... so that is why I may have failed to answer you properly.

You are correct that in some ways my knowledge of the Bible guides my moral compass.

I know Moses was a murderous evil man. I know that Paul oppressed women. I don't want to be like them so their horridness made me a better person.

I also learnt about Jesus, but why did they only teach me the lovely bits. I was indoctrinated like most people. I took the bribe... I love Easter Eggas and Christmas presents. Go figure I was a child.

It is a big question. I know hitting someone in the head with a brick is wrong, I didn't need to read it in the Bible. I know that owning a slave is wrong. GOD apparently doesn't but I do.

So it is probably a very good upbringing that guides it mostly. My parents taught me right from wrong. They were good people I am a good person, or try my best to be.

I hope that has cured your anxiety...

I eagerly await your trick question...

You are so wrong it's mind boggling. And what is worse you wallow in it. And to add insult you tell me I fail my God? My God says it is an abomination, not well if they live each other it's ok.

The reason pedophelia, necrophelia, beastiality are brought up because all are immoral and objectively wrong. Despite what you believe, it is. You can justify it because you have a coalition of gays and activists on your side but it is wrong. They are abominations to The Lord regardless of your opinion.

But again you dodge me continually amazed, do you believe in objective morality?

Well I wish you had told GOD that... Why did he put the reproductive and excretum organs in the same place.

So much for Intelligent Design!

You were A little all over the place in this response. Give me the passages please to which you are referring to, it sounds like you are reciting what someone told you once.

I'm not trying to trick you either, I. Want to get to the root of where your coming from. Because I don't understand.

Let me be more clear, do you think there is an objective morality? As in despite what you or I think there re moral truths like rape is wrong?

Where would be a better place?

I don't dodge you... I just don't like your ugly UnGODLY energy.

I don't like your selective use of the word abomination.

Here re-read this Thread: Christians, Why hate Homosexuals? Are you any different? (Page 8)

Why do you continue to make GOD look & sound unintelligent? I'm sorry that he isn't as unintelligent as you. Better luck next time... I was made in his image, you can't have been...

You insult my GOD's intelligence. You judge too easily. Hence you are selective in your belief system.

Of course there is some types of objective morality which I would subscribe to, but there are some I wouldn't.

I don't believe in killing people... BUT I can understand someone killing someone in self defense. One has to remain a little flexible you know.

I believe in strong anti-discrimination laws... You would be trapped by those laws... I win!

Jesus didn't fully subscribe as he changed some OT laws. He changed "eye for an eye" to turn the other cheek.

I object and would oppose your selective morality - does that count?

That is so incredibly arrogant! Who the hell are you to define someone's personal morality?? Because they don't bow down to what YOU believe they have no objective morals? Bullshit, absolute bullshit!

Newsflash dude, there's a whole big world out there beyond your precious little Bible, it does not and never will be the be all and end all moral definer......the universe is much too big for that.

And anyway even if it WAS, what kind of a code is it? Hmm let's see......it punishes the innocent for what two people did generations before they ever existed in the fall, it wipes out an entire people down to the babies again because of what some other people were doing after it.....it demands bloodshed of an yet another innocent being to ever possibly love humanity again following it all......I could go on and on.

When it's a choice between THAT moral code and one that celebrates love of ALL kinds instead of just one......the latter wins out no contest!

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I see where your coming from, however it isn't right for men to lay with men and women with women, and no its not natural. However judging someone for any sin is a sin itself. But it is my right to have my opinion. i dont discriminate against anyone, but you also fail your God if you believe that being gay is not a sin and not asking for forgiveness when you sin, he knows we sin.

Well GOD could have put the reproductive organ of a woman on her upper arm and ours in a finger...

That would save undressing!

It may not be natural for you... Do not judge others... as it isn't natural for me, whatsoever.

You can call it a sin if you choose in regards to yourself, but to say it of others is not your place.

Was it you who said you had tried both earlier. If you managed to try both you are probably bi-sexual. I couldn't try the other... I am totally heterosexual.

So what.. It is how you are.

I will not judge you and I will not call what you did a sin.

If it was you I appreciate your honesty.

See again your attacking me personally when I am just asking you questions and giving you my honest opinion. Maybe you should look in the mirror? I haven't come at you personally.

In addition you are putting words in my mouth, I made no reference to kill in self defense and I would agree wi the statement and so would the bible. So there are no debate from either of us on that point.

The bible says it an abomination, it's not selective.

How do you subscribe to some objective morality? And who's do you follow?

You are making claims that I have never said, just trying to talk about this and your being childish.

It seems like you take bits and pieces of the bible and apply just what you like to life. Doesn't work that way

New flash brah, I defined that the bible says it is a sin to be homosexual. Ten help me understand instead of just ridiculing me how outside of the bible, or, and transcendent objective morality homosexuality is ok, I would really like to know. No scar asm either.

Silly.

I was a bit mean in that last post... I am becoming bored with people who just hate homosexuals and won't just tell the truth.

The Bible says lots of things are an abomination... even you and I... Let me see you argue your abomination like you argue this.

Sorry but again you are wrong.

You tell em I can't take bits and pieces from the Bible... Amazing!

I would rather respect and honour GOD than to believe the lies the Bible presents about GOD.

You can choose the opposite... and you do!

I am off people I am tired of attempting to make you see reason... Stubborness and the ability to be continually wrong are part of a believers arsenal.

You guys have achieved both!

In regards to the link, nobody ever said we were perfect. But through Jesus we are all cleansed, I didn't see any of that scripture in your thread. Why?

Because its a new covenant, and becoming a Christian doesn't make us better than the next person or elevate us above you to point the finger. We have to leave our sin behind.

And you seem to take the words almost to literally, to such an extreme to you miss the entire point. Don't you do any type of analysis? I mean regarding the Scottish kilts, that is rooted in their tradition. And during the time period in question regarding that scripture they all wore long robes. But clearly men wore men's style robes or something signifying male and female wore female stle. What is the matter with you? Don't you have any common sense?

Of course women can wear jeans and belts hats or whatever other nonsense you said. The point is do not blur the lines and dress according to your gender whatever time period you are in.

Does it make sense now? Can you see your arrogance now?

Why u even arguing with the fudge packer? Let him smoke pole

Christians dont hate homos! You cant believe everything you read on the internet.

There are many Christian homos out there. Do you think they hate themseleves???? NO!! of course not.

Dont believe the internet or mainstream media. They want to divide and conquer not unite humanity.


Peace and safety!

"Peace-Peace then Comes Sudden Destruction"

to be a friend to the world is to be friends with Sin

God lovers the Sinner, But hates the Sin

Are sins Separate us from a God who can easily empower us to defeat all are Sin problems

Saying that one is a Christian Homosexual is a kin to saying that God doesn't have the power to fix your sexual perversions and twisted fetishes

or worst still saying that God gave you a female brain in a male body or male brain in a female body, that God Made you defective, That really seems like Blaming God For your own Problem

God did No such thing, people choose to openly rebel against themselves, their family's and the natural order of things (The Order which God Created in Eden)

God didn't make anyone Gay just the same as God didn't force anyone to become a Junkie or a Alcoholic, people choose to go through those doors themselves, via their own bad choices, the friends and their influences to them.

People should Google: "Gay bowel syndrome"

just encase people are stupid enough to think being a gay christian is all puppy-dogs, ferry-floss, rainbows and unicorns

Gotta wonder if the Sodomites at Sodom and Gomorrah also Highjacked God's Rainbow Sign for themselves, I bet they did

The "its my body, im not hurting anyone" is the problem, we have been given a body, whether we asked for it or not. Follow the rules the owner has given. The lie is that homosexuals were made that way, its against nature, even evolution. I believe homosexuals have had a life the steered them in that direction and but it doesnt make it right.

Yes it was me was been with both, and i know it was a sin and thats ok because we all sin, God expects us to sin but he also expects us to admit to our sins and they will be washed away. I know i have no right to judge and i don't judge but as a Christian its our responsibility to correct matters of sin among ourselves fairly and with compassion as stated in Matthew 18.
I think people deserve to be happy and shouldnt be punished for their choices but gays seek support for being gay and want to be accepted, why do you think that is?

It pisses me off you scribe better English than 99% of Americans.
Maybe we should enroll our kids in Ugandan schools for a better education, Mate.
About male buggery, however, I'm well agnostic about that subject... except to reflect, I'm personally not into slurping shit off a cock. Lesbians, hot!
It's truthfully just the shitty cock that kills the whole thing for me.
I'm a bit of a germ-freak.
Nothing personal. No agenda.

No but you still don't admit that you are an abomination and yet that is what the Bible says.

But this is typical Bible Babble that you speak and to be honest I am bored. It's kindergarten stuff.

You will be judged as I will be judged and I will be correct and you will be wrong. You have placed the sin of homosexuality as worse than your own sins. I know it, you know it.

If you are saved by the new covenant so are they. The old new covenant stuff is a load of rubbish anyway I just haven't got the time to explain it all and prove it.

So let's just agree to disagree... I am right and I know I'm right, you are wrong and I know you are wrong! AGREED!

It isn't a choice with homosexuals...

If you of all people can't recognise that then there is no point conversing.

You did what you did...

Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Let him save them. But please stop the silly use of the word choice.

Gays want to be accepted because it is natural to them... If it is natural it is not a sin. If GOD created all things in the Universe he created gayness.

Sorry but believers can't have it both ways! For in a split second GOD could rid the world of all suffering BUT, he chooses not to...

Everyone wants to be accepted... It is human nature.

I simply disagree with all this gay bashing from Chritians... "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"...

That line alone should shut people up... BUT it won't they love to judge and remove the speck from the eye of others.

They dion't really follow Jesus' teachings.

I suggest you try to be different.

Great and some may have... BUT who are you to judge?

Lack of intellect is against nature also... and there is a lot of that on this thread.

As I said earlier Do you guys worship GOD or Worship the Bible?

I got my answer.

Show me a Christian who truly follows Jesus and I will be seeing a very rare Christian.

I haven't seen one here.... Perhaps one will show themselves elsewhere...

If you really believe GOD condoned - Infanticide, rape, murder, animal and human sacrifice, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, torture, stoning, slavery and other atrocities - YOU ARE WRONG!

If you can justify that GOD condoned and committed the atrocities of the Old Testament and the Oppression of Women by Paul in the New Testament then you are a sheep bleeting rubbish and believing rubbish!

Pray for yourself!

You will need lot's of prayer!

My country has been in the news for wanting to kill homosexuals. The facts are:

1) A single Member of Parliament drafted a Private Member's Bill that called for all manner of things against homosexuals. It isn't a government position.

2) Most Ugandans could care less about this Bill or about who is homosexual since it doesn't affect their daily lives.

3) A certain group of homosexual organizations have taken it upon themselves to "educate" children here about the what, how and why of homosexuality. In response, certain Christian groups and parents have launched a counter campaign.

I'm hetero. I have a couple of homosexual friends. I don't really like to think about what they do and I'm not comfortable with tv series where men kiss men. Being a woman, I'm repelled by the idea that a woman will hit on me. So personally, I wouldn't tell my kids that homosexuality is an option.

Does that mean we should discriminate against them? Should we be bullying them? Are they morally bankrupt compared to heteros? I don't think so. Most rape, pedophelia and deviant non consensual sex is committed by heterosexuals. So if someone is gay or lesbian, it doesn't mean that they are automatically deviant. Judging by some people's hatred, you would think they have never met a gay man or lesbian. If you know any, you'd find that they are human beings like the rest of us. In fact, if you found your son is gay, you'd quickly discover that this is more complicated than simply labeling them deviant.

The only thing that points to homosexuality as being immoral is Religion. But it also states a number of things that are immoral but that we "allow" to happen. Adultery, fornication, lust, envy....you name it. Where do we get off "hating" homosexuals? How do we justify giving this "sin" more weight than the others? If the wages of sin...is death, then we are all doomed, homosexual or not. We are all sinners. How are we differe

You are morally bankrupt, closest man...

You're not God

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (1 John 5:12)

Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 4:15)

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. (Isa. 53:5)

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1 John 1:8)

For all have sinned (Rom. 3:23)

all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev. 21:8)

thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. (Ezek. 33:7)

Ok first of all no where in my reply did i gay bash, or cast any stones, so why are you throwing bible quotes at me like i have cast judgment against gays, when clearly i have not. Of course everyone wants to be accepted, but i dont care what you say its not natural for a man to put his penis into the butthole of a man. We all know why God gave us an ass and why he put it in the back, its an exit and it contains fecal bacteria, there is a reason why girls were taught to wipe front to back. Maybe God is choosing to let us end the world by the things we do. I suggest you dont tell people they need to be different, just like you im entitled to my opinion.