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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19720771 United States 07/15/2012 08:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NOAA is being grossly negligent in not issuing a K7 alert or warning. Spaceweatherlive lists the Kp=7.67 and Potsdam has had a Kp=7 for 3 hours now. NOAA's homebase Boulder magnetometer is at 7.3 and has been over 7 for some time now. AND STILL NO K7 ALERT FROM NOAA? WTF? Quoting: Hugh M Eye SpaceweatherLive: [link to www.spaceweatherlive.com] Potsdam Kp-index: [link to www.theusner.eu] Boulder magnetometer: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] The observed data is still just below 7(6.67)rather than the estimate..once it reaches the threshold they should issue the alert. Being as it is just below a 7, it rates at the VERY LEAST a "Kp of 7 expected" alert. They can verify it has "threshold reached" later, like they do for all others. It comes down to a failed attempt to calm the masses .... as we no longer trust them. I don't think it's anything to do with calming the masses. I've never seen any masses getting into a panic over a Kp 7 warning before! Maybe it is because "they" don't know what it means, but there are plenty of us that do. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17338098 United States 07/15/2012 08:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am learning so much from all of you! You all are truly amazing with your knowledge! I have a few questions. Does earths magnetic field begin to weaken when we are experiencing a longer lasting geomagnetic storm? If we are experiencing a geomagnetic storm and there would be another X Flare, would that worsen the effects when the first particles reach earth in that 8 minute time frame? I am still learning so I hope I worded my questions right. |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 19372178 United States 07/15/2012 08:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NOAA is being grossly negligent in not issuing a K7 alert or warning. Spaceweatherlive lists the Kp=7.67 and Potsdam has had a Kp=7 for 3 hours now. NOAA's homebase Boulder magnetometer is at 7.3 and has been over 7 for some time now. AND STILL NO K7 ALERT FROM NOAA? WTF? Quoting: Hugh M Eye SpaceweatherLive: [link to www.spaceweatherlive.com] Potsdam Kp-index: [link to www.theusner.eu] Boulder magnetometer: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Almost as bad as shutting down completely for hours with no further updates prior to this CMEs arrival. Negligent is an incredibly nice way to put it. I actually meant it in the legal sense. NOAA is charged with warning airlines, satellite operators, GPS sensitive industries, as well as the power grid operators. If a plane gets lost it could hit the side of a mountain. If a drilling operation has bad GPS data a catastrophe could result, and so on. NICT in Japan has specific warnings issued for the affected sectors. To put it simply, NOAA isn't doing its job. Hell, they even have trouble numbering sunspots, LOL. NICT Spaceweather: [link to swc.nict.go.jp] |
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Earth Cries User ID: 1249432 United States 07/15/2012 08:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Congratulations on 1K and many thanks for a great, informative thread, Nin! Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. “Things fall apart; the center cannot hold.” Yeats |
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amywood71605 User ID: 19782227 United States 07/15/2012 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ithink it got lost in the 1k excitement but............what is the chance the Kp number will still be high tonite? "Live each day like it's your last, love like you've never been hurt, and dance like no one is watching." GO PATS!! :Go Patriots!: |
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SnakeBite User ID: 13658852 Canada 07/15/2012 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what the hell is THAT! [link to www.meteorscan.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19720771 United States 07/15/2012 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ithink it got lost in the 1k excitement but............what is the chance the Kp number will still be high tonite? Quoting: amywood71605 I don't think anyone can answer that with absolute accuracy, but the kp wing is making predictions of a 9 at late as 18:00 UTC, or 1pm EST. Keep an eye on this. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18989138 United States 07/15/2012 08:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This site - [link to www.spaceweatherlive.com] - shows a current kp index of 8! |
Solar Guardian User ID: 19652309 Malaysia 07/15/2012 08:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.spaceweatherlive.com] KP 8!!!! |
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tomasgod1 User ID: 19599487 United States 07/15/2012 08:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NOAA is being grossly negligent in not issuing a K7 alert or warning. Spaceweatherlive lists the Kp=7.67 and Potsdam has had a Kp=7 for 3 hours now. NOAA's homebase Boulder magnetometer is at 7.3 and has been over 7 for some time now. AND STILL NO K7 ALERT FROM NOAA? WTF? Quoting: Hugh M Eye SpaceweatherLive: [link to www.spaceweatherlive.com] Potsdam Kp-index: [link to www.theusner.eu] Boulder magnetometer: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Almost as bad as shutting down completely for hours with no further updates prior to this CMEs arrival. Negligent is an incredibly nice way to put it. NOAA decided months ago to stop using averages of the combined magnetometers for their Kp index. Well, this makes their index wrong. There is a reason that we do not have all of the magnetometers strung around the globe at the equator. In order to get accurate readings for forcasting, the magnetometers need to be placed in either very high, or low lattitudes, and all of the others are. So now the world knows what the kp index is for CO; well yippie yia yea, and who gives a shit? The readings are not accurate for anyone else; certainly not Europe, and not the pacific NW, the Midwest, or the North East US either. So NOAA is forcasting for CO, and doing a shitty, dirt bag job of it. + 1000 Happy 1st day of the new year! Last Edited by tomasgod1 on 07/15/2012 08:39 AM _______ Blog [link to mysolaralerts.blogspot.com] YouTube Channel [link to www.youtube.com] "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" FOUNDING FATHER, Patrick Henry (May 29, 1736 – June 6, 1799) |
SnakeBite User ID: 13658852 Canada 07/15/2012 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19715730 Ive been watching this for two days, it even shows a normal strike in the caption to the bottum right, I have NO IDEA what this thing is picking up right now, i do know that the blue area is normal background noise, but right now thats in the red! If anyone knows anything please chime in! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19715730 United States 07/15/2012 08:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19715730 Ive been watching this for two days, it even shows a normal strike in the caption to the bottum right, I have NO IDEA what this thing is picking up right now, i do know that the blue area is normal background noise, but right now thats in the red! If anyone knows anything please chime in! strange pattern like behavior now. [link to www.meteorscan.com] |
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shenue User ID: 5263313 United States 07/15/2012 08:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is the exact reason why we are always concerned about the orientation of these CMEs. The ion temp has dropped dramatically, the wind speed is down, the proton count is low now but this long continued -BznT is continuing to drive the Kp up. Shields are "down" and the solar particles are flowing in at the poles. Quoting: tomasgod1 Is this true? - "Shields are "down" and the solar particles are flowing in at the poles." Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. |
C3Music User ID: 16136592 United States 07/15/2012 08:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19715730 Ive been watching this for two days, it even shows a normal strike in the caption to the bottum right, I have NO IDEA what this thing is picking up right now, i do know that the blue area is normal background noise, but right now thats in the red! If anyone knows anything please chime in! Each spike is an incoming alien ship, :) Definitely looks weird |
Hugh M Eye User ID: 19372178 United States 07/15/2012 08:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am learning so much from all of you! You all are truly amazing with your knowledge! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17338098 I have a few questions. Does earths magnetic field begin to weaken when we are experiencing a longer lasting geomagnetic storm? If we are experiencing a geomagnetic storm and there would be another X Flare, would that worsen the effects when the first particles reach earth in that 8 minute time frame? I am still learning so I hope I worded my questions right. Good questions, I'll try answer but I can barely type at this point. Hopefully someone else will help out here. The first question depends on many factors. In this case, with the Bz well-south for a long period of time, I would tend to say "yes". Because of the direct connection to the solar wind plasma, more energy from the sun is charging up the ionosphere, the magneto-tail, and the radiation belts. This causes stronger aurora, magnetic disturbances, and ground currents. Usually, most of this energy is deflected by the Earth's magnetic field. Another X-flare now would probably not have any more severe effects on the surface, but a proton storm may have a bigger effect on the ionosphere which is already disturbed. Now another big CME would definitely have a stronger effect because the radiation belts are already charged up. I hope that's corrrect, lol. |
madajs User ID: 6377684 Canada 07/15/2012 08:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NOAA is being grossly negligent in not issuing a K7 alert or warning. Spaceweatherlive lists the Kp=7.67 and Potsdam has had a Kp=7 for 3 hours now. NOAA's homebase Boulder magnetometer is at 7.3 and has been over 7 for some time now. AND STILL NO K7 ALERT FROM NOAA? WTF? Quoting: Hugh M Eye SpaceweatherLive: [link to www.spaceweatherlive.com] Potsdam Kp-index: [link to www.theusner.eu] Boulder magnetometer: [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Almost as bad as shutting down completely for hours with no further updates prior to this CMEs arrival. Negligent is an incredibly nice way to put it. NOAA decided months ago to stop using averages of the combined magnetometers for their Kp index. Well, this makes their index wrong. There is a reason that we do not have all of the magnetometers strung around the globe at the equator. In order to get accurate readings for forcasting, the magnetometers need to be placed in either very high, or low lattitudes, and all of the others are. So now the world knows what the kp index is for CO; well yippie yia yea, and who gives a shit? The readings are not accurate for anyone else; certainly not Europe, and not the pacific NW, the Midwest, or the North East US either. So NOAA is forcasting for CO, and doing a shitty, dirt bag job of it. What's your source that they stopped using the network of magnetometers? Here it says they still use a network strewn across the world [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] It also shows that NOAA's Planetary Kp readings differ from the Boulder readings on the chart right there, contradicting your claim that they abandoned their global network and are only using Boulder. And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation." |