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Best El Hierro Thread On GLP - Canary Islands - ACTIVITY HAS RETURNED - AGAIN! | |
fellowearthling  User ID: 2313817  New Zealand10/03/2011 01:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.angelfire.com] Quoting: curiouslyinterested Not sure how reliable this site is, but they have listed the magnitude of energy for Mt. St. Helens as follows: 9) Mt. St. Helens Eruption Of 1980 The eruption at Mt. St. Helens is quite an infamous one. The enormous energy released caused the side of the mountain to collapse and fall away. The explosion killed thousands of animals and left nearby forests enveloped in layer of lifeless gray ash. Many websites list the eruption as producing only 24 megatons of energy, but this was most likely the amount of thermal energy produced by the largest explosion. The value encompassed here includes all of the energy released by the volcano that was associated with its eruption, such as seismic, hydrothermal, and mechanical energy. Value In Joules: 1.9 quintillion (1.90 x 1018) Value In Megatons: 454 (4.54 x 102) Equivalent In "Little Boy" Bombs: 30,300 (3.03 x 104) Equivalent In Gallons Of Gasoline: 14.4 billion (1.44 x 1010) Imagine being able to 'tap' that and store or utilize it for constructive, peaceful purposes? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
| Scarbedazzles User ID: 1513081  United States10/03/2011 01:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No idea if I'm reading this correctly however, the energy "produced" by an eruption could be far different than the buildup of energy prior to eruption right? I mean there would be "momentum" and "velocity" once it begins to escape/explode/erupt? I'm thinking kind of like "it only takes a spark to get a fire going". Just food for thought. I'm prolly way off base.  Fool me once, shame on you.....fool me twice shame on me. |
| Cisco805 User ID: 1355835 United States10/03/2011 01:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The view in GLP is that Mt. St. Helens blew somewhere between 10 and 17. Quoting: curiouslyinterested That is a big margin I will admit. I am trying to find more concrete information based on the energy output, however, it is proving difficult. Thank you. We live in times where the information is readily available so I can see why you would not be able to find any info about St. Helens. Sure is different now. Funny, I tried to google this for Mt. St. Helens....not that I didn't trust your research but had to look for myself. The only articles/posts that guestimated it's joules/pressure brought me right back to GLP. Go figure. Mount St Helens erupted @ Energy release: 24 megatons thermal energy.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2376150  Portugal10/03/2011 02:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please, Please ... an update please. I am on the east coast of the USA. I don't know if I should be in the car with my family heading west, or not. Thank you Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512435 I also am on the east coast. The only things we can do are pray, watch, wait, and if we get the internal signal to leave, do so. If the quakes increase in magnitude, then there is a concern issue. Don't go into a panic! Just have a go-bag ready where you can access it and be ready IF the time comes to go. You don't want to wait for some kind of official announcement to come on tv because by then it is too late to safely evacuate. Really this is the most up-to-date site there is on the net for this information. There are people from all over the world posting here. I Thank Idgits for starting this thread!  As the Atlantic lacks a tsunami warning system, your best bet is to keep eyes on Portugal/Spain. We will have about 2 hours in any worst case scenario while you Americans have 7 hours... |
| fellowearthling User ID: 2313817 New Zealand10/03/2011 03:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No idea if I'm reading this correctly however, the energy "produced" by an eruption could be far different than the buildup of energy prior to eruption right? I mean there would be "momentum" and "velocity" once it begins to escape/explode/erupt? Quoting: Scarbedazzles I'm thinking kind of like "it only takes a spark to get a fire going". Just food for thought. I'm prolly way off base. Well, if Newton was right, there would have to be more 'potential' energy in the build-up process compared to the amount of 'kinetic' energy released in the actual eruption itself ~ not taking into account any other additional energy from other sources. Of course we have no idea what energy would/will be required before El Hierro erupts, but I'd imagine the sooner the energy release starts, the less violent the eruption should be. "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2552650 Portugal10/03/2011 05:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | === Quoting: REALLY 913721 This scientific report proves that nothing will happen : [link to chuma.cas.usf.edu] === fearmongering bastard That papper is for La Palma, not Hierro. Scientific papers in 1980 also said St.Hellens was perfectly safe, and would not erupt for decades... Back to Hierro, energy at 7.3+E11. IF it keeps up, it will be at E12 in about 4 days |
| fellowearthling User ID: 2313817 New Zealand10/03/2011 05:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | === Quoting: REALLY 913721 This scientific report proves that nothing will happen : [link to chuma.cas.usf.edu] === fearmongering bastard That papper is for La Palma, not Hierro. Scientific papers in 1980 also said St.Hellens was perfectly safe, and would not erupt for decades... Back to Hierro, energy at 7.3+E11. IF it keeps up, it will be at E12 in about 4 days I wonder what would happen if the pressure below El Hierro blew out like St Helens did, but underwater?  "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
| momma coop User ID: 1306455 United States10/03/2011 06:32 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to yfrog.com] Quoting: momma coop I received a twitter update about a landslide in el heirro. I can't seem to link to the update but here is a link to the pick. If you do a twitter search for teideano the post will show up. He posts a lot of pics, updates etc. Thank you momma coop. I'm now following this guy as I'm very interested in what people there are actually seeing and feeling there on the island. I do see the start of the landslide in that picture. It's starting about 3/4 up the hill where the land is cracking open. Then a bulge below it to the left in the picture. If that is a new formation, then that land is going to slide. It's just a matter of time and a little push. I wish I knew what direction that slide is facing. I don't think that would make a wave big enough to hurt anyone, but that little village (or whatever) better be evacuated. your welcome. This fb page is about the canary quakes and volcano. It also has a lot of locals commenting on it. You have to translate it to english. [link to www.facebook.com] The power is yours. Take it back. In a world where you can choose to be anything, choose to be kind. |
| DoorBert User ID: 857877 United States10/03/2011 06:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1613216 10/03/2011 07:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 7.6E+11 now...thats 760,000,000,000 joules of energy. around 130 tons of TNT. , [link to www.01.ign.es] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2525944 United States10/03/2011 08:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | === Quoting: REALLY 913721 This scientific report proves that nothing will happen : [link to chuma.cas.usf.edu] === fearmongering bastard  Cumbre Vieja Volcano -- Potential collapse and tsunami at La Palma, Canary Islands (scientific paper) [link to wet.kuleuven.be] La Palma yes; but, i wasn't aware there was any risk of El Hierro producing a mega-tsunami, like La Palma will, but all these folks seem to be having a good time with all the volcanic activity, so, so be it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1624969  Spain10/03/2011 08:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another info i found in a spanish website Traducced by google translator. The submarines of Restrict, south of El Hierro, claim to have heard a strange roaring when he dived under the sea about 30 meters deep. As a geographer I went to Madrid to live on the island three years ago, we hear rumblings beneath the sea, as if the rock broke. Something very strange. It has also witnessed these noises a diving Bilbao monitor says hearing the roar seven times during a dive of 45 minutes and described the sound as if a ship was making a strange maneuver just above one. Earthquakes have expanded some areas of the island about four inches and the flow of carbon dioxide (CO2) from the subsoil has tripled in two months, but without reaching the levels of eruption. |
| REALLY User ID: 913721  Netherlands10/03/2011 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Focussing on El Hierro... is like focussing on an anthill. fearing the world will be invaded by ants Here's where the real stuff's made visible : [link to earthquakes.tafoni.net] = You all suffer from : [link to en.wikipedia.org] = |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1895541  Canada10/03/2011 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | === Quoting: REALLY 913721 This scientific report proves that nothing will happen : [link to chuma.cas.usf.edu] === fearmongering bastard Read that from beginning to end. That was actually a poorly written scientific paper. So what if it hasn't happened in recorded history. Recorded history is but a blip on geological time lines. Also, he seems to neglect the factors that 3000m water just off shore can bring in a catastrophic collapse. He's probably right, but those factors alone mean that one cannot discount the possibility. There are legends from ancient history of gigantic waves inundating areas, I just think we've had a good run as a species so far to avoid events like this. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2525944 United States10/03/2011 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Focussing on El Hierro... Quoting: REALLY 913721 is like focussing on an anthill. fearing the world will be invaded by ants Here's where the real stuff's made visible : [link to earthquakes.tafoni.net] = yup. it looks like the whole ring of fire is gonna sink into the earth's mantle and suck half of asia and the u.s. down with it. YIKES!  |
| NORMAL GUY User ID: 1295879 Spain10/03/2011 09:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lots more movement today especially above 3.0 mag. [link to www.emsc-csem.org] The most perfect place to be is... With your own thought,s on a silent mountain with the sun on your back, a breeze on your face and peace in your soul...... |
| so-gui-li User ID: 1332289  Finland10/03/2011 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. 3.7 12km depth. It looks that block is gone soon. Magma and gas are rising up. I dont know what kind of material el hierro is but i think that when this block is gone it will erupt pretty soon then. I hope so. This place dont need any pressure anymore. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2525944 United States10/03/2011 09:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i wish the vulcanologists at the National Institute of Geography (IGN) in Spain would tell us more about what they think is going on at the Canary Islands right now. Oct. 3 "Six Italian seismologists and one government official went on trial for manslaughter in Italy last week. The unusual trial stems from accusations that the seven failed to adequately communicate the potential for a major earthquake to the population around the central Italian town of L'Aquila" [link to www.physorg.com] . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1868651 10/03/2011 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You guys its really important to note that these quakes are actually going Northward again. They're 5-6 kilometers closer to the island or actually on the island...compared to where they have been. Look at the distances on each quake over the past few days...they're moving back towards the island and onto it [link to m.emsc.eu] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1868651 10/03/2011 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | here we go...we've reached 8.0E+11 That's 800,000,000,000 joules [link to www.01.ign.es] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2561344  United Kingdom10/03/2011 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Equivelant to 191 tons of TNT [link to www.online-unit-converter.com] Quoting: Idgits about twice this then.. [link to www.youtube.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1868651 10/03/2011 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Upsy Daisy User ID: 2153722 United Kingdom10/03/2011 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Translated - Graph that represents the path followed by the hypothetical epicentre average since the beginning of the crisis, pondering on the basis of the energy released from the beginning of the crisis. [link to www.facebook.com] What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1868651 10/03/2011 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The last one was 189 km south of San Cristobal...that should actually be on the mainland [link to m.emsc.eu] you can see that multiple red dots on the map...several quakes have moved back to the island [link to www.01.ign.es] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1895541 Canada10/03/2011 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The last one was 189 km south of San Cristobal...that should actually be on the mainland [link to m.emsc.eu] you can see that multiple red dots on the map...several quakes have moved back to the island [link to www.01.ign.es] Quoting: Idgits I'm guessing that the closer to the surface the quakes are, the closer to land above water they will be also, given where venting has occurred in the timeline. I really don't know how any vulcanologist could say that everything is fine on El Hierro. |
| Scarbedazzles User ID: 1513081 United States10/03/2011 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No idea if I'm reading this correctly however, the energy "produced" by an eruption could be far different than the buildup of energy prior to eruption right? I mean there would be "momentum" and "velocity" once it begins to escape/explode/erupt? Quoting: Scarbedazzles I'm thinking kind of like "it only takes a spark to get a fire going". Just food for thought. I'm prolly way off base. Well, if Newton was right, there would have to be more 'potential' energy in the build-up process compared to the amount of 'kinetic' energy released in the actual eruption itself ~ not taking into account any other additional energy from other sources. Of course we have no idea what energy would/will be required before El Hierro erupts, but I'd imagine the sooner the energy release starts, the less violent the eruption should be. Makes sense. Even with earthquakes here around the west coast of the US, I'm always relieved when there is some type of release of energy. I feel like it keeps the quakes to a minimum. For example here in Oregon we have had precious few (on land) as of late. I think it's because we have an underwater lava flow off of Coos bay right now. This is a constant release of energy. But at the same time we are building a new ledge of land on the plates which may cause slippage. Still, there are small quakes constantly in Washington state, and in California. We seem to dodge the bullet even though we are full of volcanos and between the two most seismically active states on the main land. I hope I didn't just put the GLP effect into action in the reverse...roflmbo Fool me once, shame on you.....fool me twice shame on me. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297814  Germany10/03/2011 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | News from Jon Frimann Magma on the move in El Hierro, Canary Islands October 3, 2011 by Jón Frímann This is happening faster then I expected. But it seems that magma is now on the move upwards in El Hierro volcano in Canary Islands. This is evident by the earthquake patterns that are emerging from the volcano. Given the earthquake locations, most likely place for a eruption to take place is out on the ocean based on that. But sometimes magma can find different pathways up the surface without a lot of warning.... ReadMore: [link to www.jonfr.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297814 Germany10/03/2011 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a rly good question on Jon Frimann's Blog : How fast can the magma travel upwards Jon? How long would it take for the magma to reach the surface? Jon Frimann: This depends on two things. The magma and how fluid it actually is. But this also depends on the type of rock it is breaking trough, if it is hard, soft, or even just plain sand and so on. The clues are that the magma is really fluid and moving rather fast. But the rock that make up El Hierro seems too be slowing it down a lot. well, thx for all the updates here OP! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1776219 10/03/2011 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IWTB76, great find! What I sorta see happening is the tubes and chambers beneath the land and sea are full. The quakes we're seeing...now that they have slowed down again...seem to be showing signs of scattered locations instead of a sole location. Like the fingers on a rubber glove when you blow air into it. Each finger stretches independently until each one is full. And then each stretches a little bit more until POW. I think the fingers are stretching. One of these fingers is going to end up stretching to a location close enough to the surface that the layers of rock above it will shatter. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1776219 10/03/2011 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IWTB76 that sounds just like what we've gathered here on this thread. It makes me feel like we've done a good job bringing real science into this thread. We knew the magma was fluid and moving...and we knew the rock was basltic in nature...a typical shield volcano. It's awesome to feel confirmed. Thank you! |
