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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4044514  United States01/02/2013 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
INSIDERS VIEW  User ID: 31368975  Australia01/02/2013 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: "You see this coin? It has a heads and a tails but it's only one coin! It's a LIE!" Quoting: Truth 908143 Do you understand? Idiot a coin has two completly different sides.  That's my point, jerk-off. Actually it has 3 sides counting the flat edge....and it is still a single coin.  So do you!  |
| Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316  Bahamas01/02/2013 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians why is the story of Jairus's daughter conflicting did Jairus go to Jesus to ask for miracle before his daughter died or after his daughter died because the different gospels give totally conflicting stories. Quoting: Aleph Tav Or did an Angel roll away the stone from Jesus tomb or did a two men do it the different gospel gives conflicting stories. Did Jesus die before or after Passover the different gospels give conflicting stories. REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15343696 United States01/02/2013 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23761823 Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story. How is this possible? Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after? Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it. People will rationalize anything in order to fit their world view so that their world (and their mental sanity) doesn't become unstable when evidence contradicting their world view surfaces. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 23761823 United States01/02/2013 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's use the KISS principle and Keep It Simple Stupid. We are discussing literature here. Hebrew writing translated into greek then latin and then into english. It is two different stories of creation. In literature, we have what are called characters. In the first account, the hebrew elohim or Gods created everything. There had to be more than one to be Gods...could have been two or two million, it does not say. They do not even get names. They create everything, it is good and they bless it all including the human male and female and rest. Am I correct thus far? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24043207 United States01/02/2013 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man. Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness this is pure unadulterated BS. Man is so ignorant its appalling |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1018225 United States01/02/2013 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | O.K. I see people saying that Jesus created everyone and that God created the Universe. So in Genesis when it says the sons of God married the daughters of man it is not referring to the sons of God but the sons of Jesus which would be the grandsons of God right? So why do they call them the sons of God and not the sons of Jesus? Why does Genesis not name names and call the singular God that created man Jesus? It takes a lot of time to give a very precise lineage of the children of Adam. If the children of Adam are important enough to be named why not the son of God? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225 And I need to add at no time in the old testament does it ever use the name Jesus. Think about it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23754089 United States01/02/2013 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about SOMEONE explain this one? John 9:17 "They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha." Golgotha is Calvary, Jerusalem. Then in Revelations 11:8 "And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified." Umm yeah definite contradiction here, or am I missing something? |
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| Aleph Tav User ID: 31336316 Bahamas01/02/2013 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians why is the story of Jairus's daughter conflicting did Jairus go to Jesus to ask for miracle before his daughter died or after his daughter died because the different gospels give totally conflicting stories. Quoting: Aleph Tav Or did an Angel roll away the stone from Jesus tomb or did a two men do it the different gospel gives conflicting stories. Did Jesus die before or after Passover the different gospels give conflicting stories. REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
| Voice In The Wilderness User ID: 21288231 United States01/02/2013 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about SOMEONE explain this one? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23754089 John 9:17 "They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha." Golgotha is Calvary, Jerusalem. Then in Revelations 11:8 "And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified." Umm yeah definite contradiction here, or am I missing something? You are definitely missing something. Prophecy in the Bible does not always refer to literal objects, friend. In this case, Sodom and Egypt are symbolic representation of what Jerusalem had become at the time of Jesus' first advent. Jerusalem had become Sodom and Egypt in the sense that the corruption and evil which existed in those two cities in antiquity existed at the time Jesus was crucified. It is the type and anti-type. Look up what this means :) |
| INSIDERS VIEW User ID: 31368975 Australia01/02/2013 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | O.K. I see people saying that Jesus created everyone and that God created the Universe. So in Genesis when it says the sons of God married the daughters of man it is not referring to the sons of God but the sons of Jesus which would be the grandsons of God right? So why do they call them the sons of God and not the sons of Jesus? Why does Genesis not name names and call the singular God that created man Jesus? It takes a lot of time to give a very precise lineage of the children of Adam. If the children of Adam are important enough to be named why not the son of God? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225 And I need to add at no time in the old testament does it ever use the name Jesus. Think about it. That's because Jesus was a remake of Mithras. [link to www.jdstone.org] |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 23761823 United States01/02/2013 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you all for your input and kind participation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23761823 Let's use the KISS principle and Keep It Simple Stupid. We are discussing literature here. Hebrew writing translated into greek then latin and then into english. It is two different stories of creation. In literature, we have what are called characters. In the first account, the hebrew elohim or Gods created everything. There had to be more than one to be Gods...could have been two or two million, it does not say. They do not even get names. They create everything, it is good and they bless it all including the human male and female and rest. Am I correct thus far? Next, starting at Genesis 2:4, along comes a totally new character called the Lord God (Adonai Elohim in hebrew). Notice that this one has the Elohim family name but calls himself Lord. This is most interesting. Now, the Lord God starts a whole new creation of dust man and rib woman. He has set up a garden, also, with another character, the evil tree of Death. Had not all the trees be created already and were good and blessed? Had not male and female already been created? Obviously, one of the stories is a LIE. They cannot both be true. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1018225 United States01/02/2013 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you believe the Bible is perfect and all knowing you might as well be worshiping a golden calf because your faith is in the material not the spiritual. If Jesus was here today he would kick over the offering plate burn the Bibles and go to a bar to teach those who are looking for answers in a bottle. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31361045 United States01/02/2013 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Genesis (Bereshit) 1:1 to 2:4 the elohim (plural) gods created everything including man and rested. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23761823 Starting with 2:4 a brand new god (singular) makes a man out of the dust of the earth and a woman out of his rib...you all know the story. How is this possible? Why does the preacher NEVER touch on this. EVER. Go read it for yourself it will only take a few minutes and you will be amazed. There are two completely different creation stories. I do not think anyone has ever posted on this contradiction. Which story is right or are they both lies. If the Bible is a LIE from the first few words at the get-go in Genesis, can you accept anything at all coming after? Please, do me a big favor and go read the first two chapters and tell me what you think. I would appreciate it. THE FIRST CHAPTER GOD IS SPEAKING BY FAITH, HE SPOKE THE CREATION INTO EXISTENCE, CHAPTER 2 HE COMMANDS HIS SPOKEN WORD TO BECOME REALITY! Why would he speak if there was no one to listen? Wouldn't 'he' have just 'thought' things into existence? And if he did 'speak' who was there to repeat the experience? Wave cancellation. |
| Voice In The Wilderness User ID: 21288231 United States01/02/2013 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's called the Godhead. The Hebrew word 'Elohim' is both singular and plural, referring to the Godhead of the Father and Jesus Christ. Both were involved in the act of Creation, however, it was Jesus Christ who spoke the words and formed man. Quoting: Voice In The Wilderness Man is so ignorant its appalling And most of the time it is those who accuse others of this that are the most ignorant. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23754089 United States01/02/2013 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about SOMEONE explain this one? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23754089 John 9:17 "They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha." Golgotha is Calvary, Jerusalem. Then in Revelations 11:8 "And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified." Umm yeah definite contradiction here, or am I missing something? You are definitely missing something. Prophecy in the Bible does not always refer to literal objects, friend. In this case, Sodom and Egypt are symbolic representation of what Jerusalem had become at the time of Jesus' first advent. Jerusalem had become Sodom and Egypt in the sense that the corruption and evil which existed in those two cities in antiquity existed at the time Jesus was crucified. It is the type and anti-type. Look up what this means :) I agree, so let's hear your interpretation of what the fruit (apple) and tree in genesis really represent? Because I don't believe we are all damned to hell from someone eating a peice of fruit. Please enlighten me. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 23761823 United States01/02/2013 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jehovah, "let us make man in our image" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17492600 He is talking to his Son, Jesus, who is the firstborn of all creation. Hey dingleberry, you might learn something if you stick with the thread. There ain't NO Jehovah or Jesus in it. These characters have not been invented yet. |
| Veresanctus User ID: 26108394 United States01/02/2013 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is what happens when you have ignorance and the inclination to refute the bible join together. Just because you THINK there is a contradiction or do not understand something does not mean there is a problem with the text maybe the problem is with you, after all do you know everything? Those who would rather NOT believe the bible don't hesitate to turn against it when they think they have found such dilemmas. Been there done that and now know better... In the end people will believe what they WANT to believe GET SAVED: Thread: Are you SAVED from DAMNATION? "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26 |
| Voice In The Wilderness User ID: 21288231 United States01/02/2013 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians why is the story of Jairus's daughter conflicting did Jairus go to Jesus to ask for miracle before his daughter died or after his daughter died because the different gospels give totally conflicting stories. Quoting: Aleph Tav Or did an Angel roll away the stone from Jesus tomb or did a two men do it the different gospel gives conflicting stories. Did Jesus die before or after Passover the different gospels give conflicting stories. Instead of reposting the same thing time and time again, you would be better off in searching the Bible for yourself with a heart that is hungering and thirsting for truth and righteousness, and God would reveal to you the truth of the matter. The problem is not that these are contradiction but that men misinterpret what they read. |
| INSIDERS VIEW User ID: 31368975 Australia01/02/2013 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jehovah, "let us make man in our image" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17492600 He is talking to his Son, Jesus, who is the firstborn of all creation. Hey dingleberry, you might learn something if you stick with the thread. There ain't NO Jehovah or Jesus in it. These characters have not been invented yet. True! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2574201 United States01/02/2013 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | how about the last words of jesus. Out of the four gospels, mark and luke say one thing, mathew says another and john says another. mark and luke "my god my god why have you forsaken me" mathew "I commit my spirit to you father" John " it is finished" These are from memory so not totally correct, but how could the authors of the gospels get the last words incorrect, unless they were make the shit up. It's a story. |
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