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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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This is one of the best threads I've ever stumbled across here.
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My mind is officially blown

Wow
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i 3rd the amazement! this guy is for real!!!
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Likely not for real simply for the scale of the statements and realities presented here. But if nothing else, all for your entertainment and curiosity.

In this way it does not matter if any of this is true or not. The truth is irrelevant. Only, "is this useful to me?"
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This is one of the best threads I've ever stumbled across here.
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My mind is officially blown

Wow
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i 3rd the amazement! this guy is for real!!!
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I'm a member of the amazement club! hf
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I, too, am a member.
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Well, ya'll are quiet.

I had a very weird weekend. Saturday was really fun and got to experience a lot that my wife and I had wanted to do for a long time. Sunday was the opposite, lol. I kept my cool and didn't trip out, which kept my wife from having a nervous breakdown. Weekend of easy easiness and hard hardness and little of the in-between.

Good time's either way, that and my wife seemed to be enlightened by her trials.
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Indeed. Perhaps the both of you.
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How is everyone feeling? :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Everything just feels normal. Every day the same troubles at home, the same dullness at work, enjoying driving to and from work. Some things happening in Turkey on the international level, but I am not following news that much these days.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


I'm starting to feel disconnected from almost everyone in my direct surroundings; I went out in the city yesterday and we had a bike tour today, and I was not able to connect with the people around me. Very strange.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


well, that didn't take long, did it? Just yesterday you were feeling "normal" :)

Is anyone else feeling normal?
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Not long at all, no. But when I am alone at home, I feel normal again... ;-)
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Well, ya'll are quiet.

I had a very weird weekend. Saturday was really fun and got to experience a lot that my wife and I had wanted to do for a long time. Sunday was the opposite, lol. I kept my cool and didn't trip out, which kept my wife from having a nervous breakdown. Weekend of easy easiness and hard hardness and little of the in-between.

Good time's either way, that and my wife seemed to be enlightened by her trials.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


i'm through the door...what you all doing on the other side still?
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It's interesting to see how many of us don't yet realize that we are, indeed, already on "the other side".

We have crossed the border, so to speak. But, wouldn't you know! An inch before it and an inch after it looks pretty much the same.

But we are in new territory now. New takes on timeless experiences await.
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I find myself in a whirl of activity of which there is an order I don't yet understand. I see the narrative, but I have no clue as to where it is going.

Further details will be provided when I get unbanned.
 Quoting: AC15 29320200

Would you be amazed to be on a fantastic ride with no destination?

To be flying by the seat of your pants?

Each moment, a new perspective that was not anticipated before because anticipating it would have brought upon the experience?
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What's it like?
 Quoting: U3

The same as before, but different.

Not-Chaol
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Different how? Lol, or ya just trollin'?

Pretend for a moment that the question was posed by someone with out the ability to read your mind. I'm sure U3 was looking for a more descriptive answer.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Like something snapped and my form of logic was much more malleable. I suddenly found myself investigating other viewpoints more readily, almost instinctively, and not really 'married to' a position on anything in particular.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466

And so that brings us to the next chapter of Ecsys.

In our last chapter we learn that there is more than one type of logic.

In our next chapter we learn that logic (and friends) is perspective, and just as there are endless ways to perceive of what cannot be perceived (thus, perspective) there are endless avenues that logic can take. A logic that encompasses is the ultimate logic.

Perhaps we will learn more about this soon enough.
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Thank you U3 for your swift reply.
your post has been of value

You wrote...

...With Ec, once one comprehends it, the state of being will be achieved with regularity. As you say, it's just a matter of going from A to B, as it is already here, we just need to perceive it.

But, the actual point of Ec is to see how perception operates, which brings us closer to Reality. So, yes, we may feel as an actor. However, I have an idea that we will actually feel in awe of everything.
 Quoting: U3


I wouldn't disagree an iota about how you perceive Ec, state of being, regularity, perception, Reality.

But, if one can experience the no time and the no space (the "in the here and now", or whatever that may mean to us who dont experience that), then one wouldn't have -there would be no reason- to set point Bs, and run quests, methinks (because in a no time/space "interface", where can one set a point B?).
 Quoting: panoukos



YW.

I can't really answer your question from experiencing it but Chaol has said he would rather forget and be in the illusion. So, I would guess the difference would be that he knows it's illusion and interfaces anyway. Point B might just be intent for him. I would say it's possible to balance illusion and no time/space.
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Even if you knew and understood the entire universe, you'd still be forgetting something and there would be some kind of illusion.

The "truth" is independent of perspective.
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Well, ya'll are quiet.

I had a very weird weekend. Saturday was really fun and got to experience a lot that my wife and I had wanted to do for a long time. Sunday was the opposite, lol. I kept my cool and didn't trip out, which kept my wife from having a nervous breakdown. Weekend of easy easiness and hard hardness and little of the in-between.

Good time's either way, that and my wife seemed to be enlightened by her trials.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


i'm through the door...what you all doing on the other side still?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


It's interesting to see how many of us don't yet realize that we are, indeed, already on "the other side".

We have crossed the border, so to speak. But, wouldn't you know! An inch before it and an inch after it looks pretty much the same.

But we are in new territory now. New takes on timeless experiences await.
 Quoting: Chaol



After the tornadoes here, the air is alpine. This seems funny to me since this state is basically flat and usually dry. I almost feel guilty enjoying it so much.

Which reminds me. A month ago or so, in dreamtime, I was told Africa is on a different timeline.

We indeed live in a multitude of shifting worlds.
"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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The same as before, but different.

Not-Chaol
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Different how? Lol, or ya just trollin'?

Pretend for a moment that the question was posed by someone with out the ability to read your mind. I'm sure U3 was looking for a more descriptive answer.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Like something snapped and my form of logic was much more malleable. I suddenly found myself investigating other viewpoints more readily, almost instinctively, and not really 'married to' a position on anything in particular.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466

And so that brings us to the next chapter of Ecsys.

In our last chapter we learn that there is more than one type of logic.

In our next chapter we learn that logic (and friends) is perspective, and just as there are endless ways to perceive of what cannot be perceived (thus, perspective) there are endless avenues that logic can take. A logic that encompasses is the ultimate logic.

Perhaps we will learn more about this soon enough.
 Quoting: Chaol




This is very intriguing. Reminds me of Chaol's statement that our lifetime is a logic. (I'll try to find the exact quote but it might take me a while. It's in the Dream thread, I think.)
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Thank you U3 for your swift reply.
your post has been of value

You wrote...

...With Ec, once one comprehends it, the state of being will be achieved with regularity. As you say, it's just a matter of going from A to B, as it is already here, we just need to perceive it.

But, the actual point of Ec is to see how perception operates, which brings us closer to Reality. So, yes, we may feel as an actor. However, I have an idea that we will actually feel in awe of everything.
 Quoting: U3


I wouldn't disagree an iota about how you perceive Ec, state of being, regularity, perception, Reality.

But, if one can experience the no time and the no space (the "in the here and now", or whatever that may mean to us who dont experience that), then one wouldn't have -there would be no reason- to set point Bs, and run quests, methinks (because in a no time/space "interface", where can one set a point B?).
 Quoting: panoukos



YW.

I can't really answer your question from experiencing it but Chaol has said he would rather forget and be in the illusion. So, I would guess the difference would be that he knows it's illusion and interfaces anyway. Point B might just be intent for him. I would say it's possible to balance illusion and no time/space.
 Quoting: U3


Even if you knew and understood the entire universe, you'd still be forgetting something and there would be some kind of illusion.

The "truth" is independent of perspective.

 Quoting: Chaol





I have trouble with that statement. Since we can adjust perspective, we are calling it illusion. But is it? It is consciousness and it has a reality to it. I can't get away from perspective so isn't that truth enough?

And, why would I accept that truth is independent of perspective. What does that actually mean?
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Twould be lovely to have NeoChaol's document. He's very quiet right now but he is logging in. I assume he is checking on us but what he might be waiting on, I have no idea.

I always felt Chaol was looking for certain conditions. Is he still playing chess?
 Quoting: U3

If a regular game of Go entails the dance of two opposing pieces, black and white, then turning off the light so that the pieces are seen to be the same color and the game stops so that an entirely new game will need to be introduced is the game that Chaol plays.

A game-within-a-game.

When good is bad and bad is good then the very nature of reality changes.
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Is time Irrelevant? All that is is now

Does that summary of notes exist?

All we have to do is perceive it. See whats already been there

You guys are the genius make it happen
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Yes, it is already here.

In these 510 pages of "Notes..." and "Neuronics" ;)
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How is everyone feeling? :)
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Like Seeker34 says, I am feeling a bit disoriented. But, with it comes bucketfuls of revelation.

Unlearning, indeed. Am spending most of my time letting go of everything I thought I knew.

Incredible sleeping dreams that I clearly remember.
 Quoting: AC15 29320200

Think of one of your dreams. Now, take two pieces of bread and tell me what your dream is about (using only the bread).
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"it seems to imply that no matter what you do, no matter what the outcome, your manifestation worked as intended."

What manifestation is that?
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It's like intending to manifest a real live black cat wearing a bell on its collar, but then seeing a cat in a video clip and calling it "manifested." Or a sorta-cat-shape in a cloud.

Or, if no cat at all, then twisting it around and saying "well, my subconscious apparently does not like cats."
 Quoting: VersionTwo


Any ideas?
 Quoting: Chaol


Ohh........ ha ha!

Not too long after I wrote that, I saw a red hat. But more than that, I decided to go through with my other experiment and toss my current genius symbol in the ocean, leaving it all up to my subconscious. Right before I could toss it, something happened to stop me from doing it. I got a text from a certain someone (ahem) who told me he feared he was "drowning."

In other Genius news, my job search has sort of gone into a slump lately, with all leads dried up and no new nibbles. So yesterday i went for a walk. A scrap of paper caught my eye so I picked it up and decided it was my new Genius symbol representing a new job. The rest of the walk, I imagined that I already had the job. I didn't get too specific about what the job was; I just imagined that it was the right job for me at this time, and left it up to my subconscious to decide the rest of the details.

I got home from the walk and chose two job postings to reply to - I didn't put a whole lot of thought into which. I just chose two and retained a neutral mindset while I applied to them. As soon as I hit the "send" button on the second application, the phone rang. It was a recruiter I've never spoke to before, calling me out of the blue, about a job opportunity. I passed the initial screen and they are calling me back today or Monday for the second. I'm maintaining neutral mindset about it -- even though it's difficult because of the how-cool-is-that factor, that the phone rang at that particular moment.

As for your question about how everyone is feeling, last week it seemed that the energy was all over the map and represented in the external world by solar flares, earthquakes, sinkholes, tornadoes, volcanoes and all that other stuff. This week all that has calmed down but in my personal life there's been a lot of events that seem like more of the same. Affecting other significant people in my life, not me. It's been kind of a whirl-wind of a week. I have felt like I'm the eye in the middle of a storm.
 Quoting: VersionTwo

That's interesting. Please keep us updated if you can.
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Twould be lovely to have NeoChaol's document. He's very quiet right now but he is logging in. I assume he is checking on us but what he might be waiting on, I have no idea.

I always felt Chaol was looking for certain conditions. Is he still playing chess?
 Quoting: U3

If a regular game of Go entails the dance of two opposing pieces, black and white, then turning off the light so that the pieces are seen to be the same color and the game stops so that an entirely new game will need to be introduced is the game that Chaol plays.

A game-within-a-game.

When good is bad and bad is good then the very nature of reality changes.
 Quoting: Chaol




Thank you. You are sounding more and more like Chaol senior, heh!
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I'm feeling excited and exhausted...it's a time of discovery.

What about you? How are you feeling?
 Quoting: U3

Going through a process of discovery, as you.

It's like I stumbled upon a hidden world.

But I've been feeling very well.

Thank you :)
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How is everyone feeling? :)
 Quoting: Chaol

Like Seeker34 says, I am feeling a bit disoriented. But, with it comes bucketfuls of revelation.

Unlearning, indeed. Am spending most of my time letting go of everything I thought I knew.

Incredible sleeping dreams that I clearly remember.
 Quoting: AC15 29320200

Think of one of your dreams. Now, take two pieces of bread and tell me what your dream is about (using only the bread).
 Quoting: Chaol





Ha! My dreamtime a couple of evenings ago, we (meaning most of us here, at least) were walking around on huge loaves of artisian bread....sliding down slopes and jumping over flakiness. But, we were conversing in a language....and NOT using any word more than twice!!!!!!
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saw a lady in a red cap, not quite what I was looking for, so will keep it up.
 Quoting: Lok 39964291


How about something much more specific?
 Quoting: Chaol


Well, things continue to be strange in Lokie-Land

Figured I would accept Chaol's challenge, and make a more specific hat, I haven't made a genius yet, but in my mind I wanted something specific and unlikely, I thought of maybe a red top hat but definately not a baseball cap, but also though about a pinwheel, I considered that a pinwheel would be too unlikely, so that of course made me settle on the idea of a pinwheel.

Just now watching an anime, conveniently called "X" (though that is mostly the reason I am watching it) A black cat with a bell decided to stroll along, I giggled and joke thought to myself maybe I should pay attention and then.... ( 8:05 - 8:30 )

[link to www.goodanime.net]
(First link for exact time line up)


What are your thoughts? Coincidence? Going crazy? Good fun?

I will say that I'm excited about being excited, that it sure is fun to have fun, and that I love being in love :D

I call it symbol free magic ;)
 Quoting: Lokie 39964291

There is such fun in coincidence!

The use of the Genius instantly is the intention. (Without thinking about it.)

We're getting there!

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I'm feeling excited and exhausted...it's a time of discovery.

What about you? How are you feeling?
 Quoting: U3

Going through a process of discovery, as you.

It's like I stumbled upon a hidden world.

But I've been feeling very well.

Thank you :)
 Quoting: Chaol




YW and thank you for all you share with us.

I too feel I'm searching and discovering a hidden world that is full of magic!!!!!

Glad you've been feeling well. Same here. I"m learning every day.
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Well, ya'll are quiet.

I had a very weird weekend. Saturday was really fun and got to experience a lot that my wife and I had wanted to do for a long time. Sunday was the opposite, lol. I kept my cool and didn't trip out, which kept my wife from having a nervous breakdown. Weekend of easy easiness and hard hardness and little of the in-between.

Good time's either way, that and my wife seemed to be enlightened by her trials.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


i'm through the door...what you all doing on the other side still?
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It's interesting to see how many of us don't yet realize that we are, indeed, already on "the other side".

We have crossed the border, so to speak. But, wouldn't you know! An inch before it and an inch after it looks pretty much the same.

But we are in new territory now. New takes on timeless experiences await.
 Quoting: Chaol


Hmm! Apparently I need to pay more attention! :-D
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saw a lady in a red cap, not quite what I was looking for, so will keep it up.
 Quoting: Lok 39964291


How about something much more specific?
 Quoting: Chaol


Well, things continue to be strange in Lokie-Land

Figured I would accept Chaol's challenge, and make a more specific hat, I haven't made a genius yet, but in my mind I wanted something specific and unlikely, I thought of maybe a red top hat but definately not a baseball cap, but also though about a pinwheel, I considered that a pinwheel would be too unlikely, so that of course made me settle on the idea of a pinwheel.

Just now watching an anime, conveniently called "X" (though that is mostly the reason I am watching it) A black cat with a bell decided to stroll along, I giggled and joke thought to myself maybe I should pay attention and then.... ( 8:05 - 8:30 )

[link to www.goodanime.net]
(First link for exact time line up)


What are your thoughts? Coincidence? Going crazy? Good fun?

I will say that I'm excited about being excited, that it sure is fun to have fun, and that I love being in love :D

I call it symbol free magic ;)
 Quoting: Lokie 39964291

There is such fun in coincidence!

The use the Genius instantly is the intention. (Without thinking about it.)



We're getting there!
 Quoting: Chaol



Well, that's just awesome because I find using intention much easier than the Genius. But I think knowing the elements of the Genius is important. Figuring out logic still has my attention.

Chaol says we are "here" because we used logic and then forgot about it. Which, I've certainly done that since I learned about making a Genius map. He also says there is logic that lasts a lifetime. Anyway, it's fun experimenting and finding out.

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The time is now.

The first crest of the wave "pre-heats" the oven of possibility.

What shall we make? It's up to you.

But special ingredients have been prepared to steer us in the direction of a new kind of physicality.

Do you feel the energy?
 Quoting: Chaol


I feel it. I'd like to use it to come to a functional "chaol-like" understanding of ec. It seems as if the path is already laid out and we need do nothing but observe. But it couldn't be that easy, could it?

Btw- I'm out of town with my wife, celebrating our 10 year anniversary. I've seen several "women in a red hat" today.
popcorn
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


More than likely, it's easier than is thought.

But it would seem that we want to think Ec is more difficult than it actually is, which makes understanding it difficult.

It requires "unlearning".

I hope you had good celebrations :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks! We had a lot of fun. I'm noticing the less I try and the more I just observe, the more I notice it all coming together. I'm confused by the process because I've been working at all this for a couple years now and still feel as if I'm missing something.

I know you say it may be easier than is thought and it requires unlearning, but I'm at a loss for something to relate it to. I waste a lot of effort looking for a bridge for the gap and if you've provided it, I'm missing it.

Have you re-obtained your skill in ec yet and if so could you look into me from your perspective to provide some (I know this question is bold and selfish, but I'm sure it doesn't hurt to ask) personalized advice?

Thanks again.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

We're very quick to focus on what we think something is, and perhaps that's the whole idea.

When we're so focused on what we think something is that we miss what it really is (much more than that).

Use of the S+I+L+P is just to get us to the point where it's done and we don't have to think about it.

To experience it, not focus on it.

Ec is for the enterprising mind, as I'm sure Chaol would relate. All the pieces are there.

But how do you think an advanced alien world would use Ec? Nevermind what you think you know, or the assumptions you bring to the table.

I think Chaol would tell you how to build a spaceship made of sugar, expecting most people to give up. Some would persist and think about the technology, the engine, power source, or the materials. Of these, a few might think that it's obvious it should be made of metal over sugar. Perhaps one will think that the sugar is representative of the spaceship not being built with materials at all but in the mind.

We approach mysteries from our current perspective. But this requires a different approach.

When made of metal, the spaceship is interesting but not very usable. When made of thoughts the spaceship can be used. But whom from the land of earth and fire would think of a ship forged with a new kind of structure?

Perhaps Ec is a metaphor. The purpose of the 'mystery' being your discovery of your own perspective.
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Chaol,

If one was to take up sun gazing would it be better to look to sol, or the black sun?

Not-Chaol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


That which is most relative.

But why would you want to gaze at the sun? It can damage your eyes for a reason :)

It is just as effective to experience it indirectly. Where is not the sun's power?
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There's a lot to catch up on :)

Thanks for your patience!
 Quoting: Chaol


Hi Chaol. What's next?
 Quoting: miqq


The start of the "end of the world".

The gloves come off for 2013. From September 9 onwards is the beginning of something fantastic.

And you've got front row seats!

About 8 months ago I talked about how Obama's 'family' would become an issue. This led to a man called Brietbart being murdered, which itself opened a can of worms in all directions. I also talked about how the actors in these dramas would begin to be exposed. The LIBOR scandal is one of the biggest exposés (among others for the past few months), but not the biggest yet for 2012.

Events so powerful that they cause the ground to shake from a decade ago. (You'll get the hang of this 'flexible' time's pace soon enough.)

Your world is crumbling as we see ourselves in the reality that is before us (the dream world).

Better to talk about what is happening than what will happen. All is now.

Back to reading and calibrating. It may be a few days before I am properly 'adjusted'.
 Quoting: Chaol

The Western world is crumbling, actors are being exposed, and the one presiding at the top an agent to help in the destruction of certain perspectives.

Asteroids are increasing in frequency, there is magma above and below, and Fukushima is very relevant to our physicality.

And the internet you are using today is not the same you were using just a couple of years ago. (Most internet traffic is routed through certain governmental servers now.)

All of these agents of change. Values in your own perspective, some more relevant than others, that take you someplace new.

A new interpretation of physical reality.

And much of this would have unthinkable in the world of 2009.
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How is everyone feeling? :)
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Like Seeker34 says, I am feeling a bit disoriented. But, with it comes bucketfuls of revelation.

Unlearning, indeed. Am spending most of my time letting go of everything I thought I knew.

Incredible sleeping dreams that I clearly remember.
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Think of one of your dreams. Now, take two pieces of bread and tell me what your dream is about (using only the bread).
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Ha ha! That was fun! I enjoyed re-living the dancing, the drama, and then the celebration of my favorite dream, using only two slices of bread.

Did you see it?

I regard that particular deam as a gift. It was as if it was a little something to help me through a rough patch. I remembered the whole thing and felt invigorated and refreshed by it.
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I find myself in a whirl of activity of which there is an order I don't yet understand. I see the narrative, but I have no clue as to where it is going.

Further details will be provided when I get unbanned.
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Would you be amazed to be on a fantastic ride with no destination?

To be flying by the seat of your pants?

Each moment, a new perspective that was not anticipated before because anticipating it would have brought upon the experience?
 Quoting: Chaol

Yes! Perfectly stated!

I became acutely aware that whatever dreary result I expected from a situation came true! I realized that I was causing myself needless stress.

My new approach is to focus on whatever I am doing at the moment, with no fretting about what comes next. I have already had some pleasant, entirely unanticipated surprises pop up.
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Another example is the high probability of not being able to post on the internet after October (of 2011 I think).

How could this be? Again, the point is to learn to consider the logic of possibilities and which are relevant to the current.

The internet you are using now is not the same internet you were using before (particularly for those posting from US/Canada/Mexico/UK). Internet traffic in those countries is now routed through 'military' servers from around the date that Chaol mentioned.

The "backbone" of the internet has a different architecture that it before did, but no one really noticed because they see no difference.
There is an article about some of this technology at [link to www.wired.com]

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 Quoting: Chaol

Chaol has always encouraged us to think for ourselves, to figure out our own perspectives.

(The example above may make more sense now in light of recent developments with pervasive and unconstitutional and illegal spying on the national and international level.)

However, in the US, UK, Australia, and other Western countries an "alternate" perspective is being introduced (and exponentially so for the past 11 years).

Although he suggested leaving, of course most people will not think to do so because at this point they will not care. They will experience that which they have been 'conditioned' to experience, even though those doing the conditioning are values in their perspective.

Staying is a possibility of course, and it does not imply that anyone will 'die' as a result of not leaving. But the new perspective is that much harder to experience when participating in a system that is resisting the new physicality so very greatly.

Those 'forces' are trying desperately to hold onto the old physicality, and throwing everything they can at it. But they do not know what is really going on.

When Chaol claimed that he is the only one that knows what is really happening he wasn't just talking nonsense. It is because he is directing the whole thing via the dreamworld. (Again, Chaol is a value in your perspective.)

Chaol introduces many elements to these 'old perspectives' as 'reverse trojan horses' [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] that really think that what they're doing will help their cause (of holding onto the old physicality).

But of course there is the nature of existence, and the law of energy efficiency. Someone thinks they're resisting the dreamworld and hold onto the old world but what they're actually doing is helping to destroy the old world.

Chess-not-checkers.

So the question for each of us is, "Where do I stand in the sea of perspective?"
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How about something much more specific?
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Well, things continue to be strange in Lokie-Land

Figured I would accept Chaol's challenge, and make a more specific hat, I haven't made a genius yet, but in my mind I wanted something specific and unlikely, I thought of maybe a red top hat but definately not a baseball cap, but also though about a pinwheel, I considered that a pinwheel would be too unlikely, so that of course made me settle on the idea of a pinwheel.

Just now watching an anime, conveniently called "X" (though that is mostly the reason I am watching it) A black cat with a bell decided to stroll along, I giggled and joke thought to myself maybe I should pay attention and then.... ( 8:05 - 8:30 )

[link to www.goodanime.net]
(First link for exact time line up)


What are your thoughts? Coincidence? Going crazy? Good fun?

I will say that I'm excited about being excited, that it sure is fun to have fun, and that I love being in love :D

I call it symbol free magic ;)
 Quoting: Lokie 39964291

There is such fun in coincidence!

The use the Genius instantly is the intention. (Without thinking about it.)



We're getting there!
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Well, that's just awesome because I find using intention much easier than the Genius. But I think knowing the elements of the Genius is important. Figuring out logic still has my attention.

Chaol says we are "here" because we used logic and then forgot about it. Which, I've certainly done that since I learned about making a Genius map. He also says there is logic that lasts a lifetime. Anyway, it's fun experimenting and finding out.
 Quoting: U3

I was having to deal with some official agencies and was getting bogged down with their ponderous rules and regulations.

I started thinking, well, who is making all these rules and regulations but myself?

This led me to considering why I would do this to myself.

I began reviewing my life with all of it's rules. That is when I realized somethng.

WE are Geniuses, right? And how does one work a Genius? You give it some rules (logic) and then you interact with the rules.

This is what we've done with our lives! We made some rules and interacted with them! Our lives are the genius in action!
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So the question for each of us is, "Where do I stand in the sea of perspective?"
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I stand outside it? I am the sea? Irrelevant because you float not stand in the sea? :-p

Chaol, can I come stay with you outside the U.S.? ;)





GLP