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Gooood morning everyone.

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good morning
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I haven't started. I am a world class procrastinator.
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i am to on some topics
normally those most effecting myself
i am sure most of us are
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Do you remember that poem I wrote about six months ago to that music?

That was something that just struck me. I heard the music...the mood of the song and the beat stuck inside me. When I woke up the next morning, the lyrics were just there waiting to be processed by the final layer of my conscious filter.

It was just like when I was writing and recording songs on my guitar years ago. It was just there...waiting to come out. It was full of focus, passion, determination. Yet it was effortless because I didn't bother to notice the stress I forced upon myself when I made myself write it and play it over and over again until I recorded it to my satisfaction.

When that happens, I know whatever it is I am creating is worthwhile. If that isn't there, I know whatever I create will not meet my standards in the near future. I would re read it and be unmoved by it. It would lack spirit.
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i do remember
and spot on
you and i are 2 peas in a pod on this topic thumbs
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Exactly, the sheerest and surest way to avoid potential failure is to continually label something : in process; that way it never is.

I, on the other hand, see everything as complete. We must eventually see our way past the process and fear of the rain of punches.
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Grand Beautiful Day Everyone hf


May this be a shining and blesssed day for you All!!

May the Love and Light of creation permeate this thread today

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May All of your troubles be silent today and answers to them float to you on the energies of the Luminaries of the first order.

I want to thank All of You today for allowing me to fellowship and participate with you . I am Thankful for All of You ... You have been a blessing in my life


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Most gmo seeds are terminators so they say, why do they eclusively warn the gmo growers not to reseed but to purchase new seeds yearly?
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No need to warn them. They do not reseed. That's why they are called 'terminator' seeds.

Now, perhaps a warning should be given to the GMO farmer's neighbor. For if the GMO seeds blow into his field, and Monsanto tests his crops, they then sue the non GMO farmer for patent infringement and take his farm.

In this way, pollution can work out in the best interest of the corporation.
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Put a label on something as such and no one questions it. A farmer relying on the money from the next years crop probably wont chance it. But I got nothing to loose by trying it myself.
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Try it. That's exactly what they want. You start paying your yearly seed cost to Monsanto under the guise that the seeds are 'genetically enhanced' so that they require less pesticide and fertilizer.

But corporations with these kind of tactics aren't looking to maximize your profits. Once they corner the seed market, the prices start to go up...because there is no competition.

Eventually they will reduce their 'customers' to serfs. They want you struggling to barely get by, not thriving.
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So, you are sayin if I buy a catelope at my local market that is not organic then if I place a few seeds in the ground it wont grow? Lets say it does and I continue on from seeds each year for 5 years, you still think the 5 th year crop will be the very same genetics as I started with?
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Grand Beautiful Day Everyone hf


May this be a shining and blesssed day for you All!!

May the Love and Light of creation permeate this thread today

:pofstars:

May All of your troubles be silent today and answers to them float to you on the energies of the Luminaries of the first order.

I want to thank All of You today for allowing me to fellowship and participate with you . I am Thankful for All of You ... You have been a blessing in my life


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Beautiful Fringe.

Thank for sharing your lovely energies with us.

I love the star image.

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i am to on some topics
normally those most effecting myself
i am sure most of us are
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Do you remember that poem I wrote about six months ago to that music?

That was something that just struck me. I heard the music...the mood of the song and the beat stuck inside me. When I woke up the next morning, the lyrics were just there waiting to be processed by the final layer of my conscious filter.

It was just like when I was writing and recording songs on my guitar years ago. It was just there...waiting to come out. It was full of focus, passion, determination. Yet it was effortless because I didn't bother to notice the stress I forced upon myself when I made myself write it and play it over and over again until I recorded it to my satisfaction.

When that happens, I know whatever it is I am creating is worthwhile. If that isn't there, I know whatever I create will not meet my standards in the near future. I would re read it and be unmoved by it. It would lack spirit.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


i do remember
and spot on
you and i are 2 peas in a pod on this topic thumbs
 Quoting: aether


Exactly, the sheerest and surest way to avoid potential failure is to continually label something : in process; that way it never is.

I, on the other hand, see everything as complete. We must eventually see our way past the process and fear of the rain of punches.
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good morning
we know that dion
cos you believe everything has occurred before (complete) thus all is one hugs

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No need to warn them. They do not reseed. That's why they are called 'terminator' seeds.

Now, perhaps a warning should be given to the GMO farmer's neighbor. For if the GMO seeds blow into his field, and Monsanto tests his crops, they then sue the non GMO farmer for patent infringement and take his farm.

In this way, pollution can work out in the best interest of the corporation.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


Put a label on something as such and no one questions it. A farmer relying on the money from the next years crop probably wont chance it. But I got nothing to loose by trying it myself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4234541


Try it. That's exactly what they want. You start paying your yearly seed cost to Monsanto under the guise that the seeds are 'genetically enhanced' so that they require less pesticide and fertilizer.

But corporations with these kind of tactics aren't looking to maximize your profits. Once they corner the seed market, the prices start to go up...because there is no competition.

Eventually they will reduce their 'customers' to serfs. They want you struggling to barely get by, not thriving.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


So, you are sayin if I buy a catelope at my local market that is not organic then if I place a few seeds in the ground it wont grow? Lets say it does and I continue on from seeds each year for 5 years, you still think the 5 th year crop will be the very same genetics as I started with?
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As opinions vary, if you placed between 100 and 1000 seedlings in the ground you would get every possible expression of said seed.

With monecious cultivars(self seeding) you can curtail cross pollenation and soldify the selected geno- or phenotypic traits.

Do remember that humanity is the expression of only roughly 50 individuals and that most plants and animals range in the tens of thousands.

But if the selected trait was to create 'dead' pollen ,then likely if generationally bred; you would be shit out of luck trying to pop those seeds.
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So, you are sayin if I buy a catelope at my local market that is not organic then if I place a few seeds in the ground it wont grow? Lets say it does and I continue on from seeds each year for 5 years, you still think the 5 th year crop will be the very same genetics as I started with?
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No. I am saying that if you buy a cantelope at your local market, plant a few seeds and they grow, then they are not 'terminator' seeds that have been genetically modified.

The bulk of GMO is in Corn, Wheat and other grains, etc. Corn is in basically everything you eat. The corn product in these foods is GMO.

There are different types of GMO. Some GMO don't have the 'terminator' gene.

Some GMO is modified but still re-seeds. And after 5 generations, an insignificant genetic mutation has occurred when compared to the first generation...except in cases where it has cross pollinated with normal non GMO varieties, it which case GMO is spreading out into the natural strains...which is the only way it can 'correct' itself. Like dissolving a solvent in solution.

However, tests have shown that lab rats that eat a GMO corn/wheat type diet of the terminator seed variety have extremely high sterility rates in just a few generations. One or two. This is what is very alarming and incredibly dangerous about GMO. It effects the entire food chain.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Grand Beautiful Day Everyone hf


May this be a shining and blesssed day for you All!!

May the Love and Light of creation permeate this thread today

:pofstars:

May All of your troubles be silent today and answers to them float to you on the energies of the Luminaries of the first order.

I want to thank All of You today for allowing me to fellowship and participate with you . I am Thankful for All of You ... You have been a blessing in my life


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good morning fringe
lovely sensations that you are cheer
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Do you remember that poem I wrote about six months ago to that music?

That was something that just struck me. I heard the music...the mood of the song and the beat stuck inside me. When I woke up the next morning, the lyrics were just there waiting to be processed by the final layer of my conscious filter.

It was just like when I was writing and recording songs on my guitar years ago. It was just there...waiting to come out. It was full of focus, passion, determination. Yet it was effortless because I didn't bother to notice the stress I forced upon myself when I made myself write it and play it over and over again until I recorded it to my satisfaction.

When that happens, I know whatever it is I am creating is worthwhile. If that isn't there, I know whatever I create will not meet my standards in the near future. I would re read it and be unmoved by it. It would lack spirit.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


i do remember
and spot on
you and i are 2 peas in a pod on this topic thumbs
 Quoting: aether


Exactly, the sheerest and surest way to avoid potential failure is to continually label something : in process; that way it never is.

I, on the other hand, see everything as complete. We must eventually see our way past the process and fear of the rain of punches.
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good morning
we know that dion
cos you believe everything has occurred before (complete) thus all is one
 Quoting: aether


It has to be, energy must be pulled to Omega rather than pushed Sisyphus like from Alpha.

The definition of infinity conveys this; Otherwise, we subsist on less, with no draw to more.

Besides, I'm not really prone to believing much.
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Why is it with a term such as terminator seed that a gmo farmer signs a contract binding them to purchase new seeds yearly?
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Turkey May be showing the world what to do as a wayshower for the GMO disaster :)

I admire their tenacity and lack of fear of retaliation for sure hf




Heartwarming Images from the Turkish Resistance.

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If its really a terminator seed, why the need to bind with contracts?
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Why is it with a term such as terminator seed that a gmo farmer signs a contract binding them to purchase new seeds yearly?
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Marketing. A short term gain for a long term loss. At first, the farmer saves some money. But as soon as the seed market is cornered, a farmer begins to lose money.

It is sold as a earth friendly alternative.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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If its really a terminator seed, why the need to bind with contracts?
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The 'contract' is the right to produce the patented monsanto product...the corn/wheat/etc...and sell it to whoever they want to sell it to.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Turkey May be showing the world what to do as a wayshower for the GMO disaster :)

I admire their tenacity and lack of fear of retaliation for sure hf




Heartwarming Images from the Turkish Resistance.

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hf
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Hungary just destroyed all their gmo crop sites.

Oddly enough their problems began with rapeseed.

As always: The revolution is played off of the stomach.



As said by pygmallion: Morals are something that you must be able to afford.

Ethics moreso.
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Why is it with a term such as terminator seed that a gmo farmer signs a contract binding them to purchase new seeds yearly?
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Marketing. A short term gain for a long term loss. At first, the farmer saves some money. But as soon as the seed market is cornered, a farmer begins to lose money.

It is sold as a earth friendly alternative.
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I don't believe that the contract 'binds' them to keep purchasing Monsanto's seeds. I believe it is done on a yearly basis.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Why is it with a term such as terminator seed that a gmo farmer signs a contract binding them to purchase new seeds yearly?
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Marketing. A short term gain for a long term loss. At first, the farmer saves some money. But as soon as the seed market is cornered, a farmer begins to lose money.

It is sold as a earth friendly alternative.
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Terminator seed...dont sound too earth friendly or consumer friendly at all. But I will admit the name fits perfectly with what it is actually designed to do...."terminate"
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Why is it with a term such as terminator seed that a gmo farmer signs a contract binding them to purchase new seeds yearly?
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The point is being missed. It is more important for farmers to lose the ability to select and save seeds for traits and be able to read the weather and subsequent needs.

The business is BS. The goal to corrupt ability. Is it really that difficult to see?

destroy an ability and that ability becomes magic rather than mundane.

I talk to city folk all the time which ask me what special tools I need for farming.

All I can do is pet their fragile heads.
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The point is being missed. It is more important for farmers to lose the ability to select and save seeds for traits and be able to read the weather and subsequent needs.

The business is BS. The goal to corrupt ability. Is it really that difficult to see?
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clappa
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Why is it with a term such as terminator seed that a gmo farmer signs a contract binding them to purchase new seeds yearly?
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The point is being missed. It is more important for farmers to lose the ability to select and save seeds for traits and be able to read the weather and subsequent needs.

The business is BS. The goal to corrupt ability. Is it really that difficult to see?

destroy an ability and that ability becomes magic rather than mundane.

I talk to city folk all the time which ask me what special tools I need for farming.

All I can do is pet their fragile heads.
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Like all selling: they sell you your own shortsighted disability.

cheers!

I own my own stupidity. It's the first step.
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great band
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Most gmo seeds are terminators so they say, why do they eclusively warn the gmo growers not to reseed but to purchase new seeds yearly?
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No need to warn them. They do not reseed. That's why they are called 'terminator' seeds.

Now, perhaps a warning should be given to the GMO farmer's neighbor. For if the GMO seeds blow into his field, and Monsanto tests his crops, they then sue the non GMO farmer for patent infringement and take his farm.

In this way, pollution can work out in the best interest of the corporation.
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that is horribly clever

hmm
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This^^
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Why is it with a term such as terminator seed that a gmo farmer signs a contract binding them to purchase new seeds yearly?
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The point is being missed. It is more important for farmers to lose the ability to select and save seeds for traits and be able to read the weather and subsequent needs.

The business is BS. The goal to corrupt ability. Is it really that difficult to see?

destroy an ability and that ability becomes magic rather than mundane.

I talk to city folk all the time which ask me what special tools I need for farming.

All I can do is pet their fragile heads.
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Like all selling: they sell you your own shortsighted disability.

cheers!

I own my own stupidity. It's the first step.
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Yes.

I think of it a bit like commercials for prescription medication for high blood pressure, followed up by a fast food commercial.

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The point is being missed. It is more important for farmers to lose the ability to select and save seeds for traits and be able to read the weather and subsequent needs.

The business is BS. The goal to corrupt ability. Is it really that difficult to see?
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clappa
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What I see is we are all becoming what we eat. Ill food ill people.
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The point is being missed. It is more important for farmers to lose the ability to select and save seeds for traits and be able to read the weather and subsequent needs.

The business is BS. The goal to corrupt ability. Is it really that difficult to see?
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clappa
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


What I see is we are all becoming what we eat. Ill food ill people.
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Balanced
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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What I see is we are all becoming what we eat. Ill food ill people.
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clappa
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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The point is being missed. It is more important for farmers to lose the ability to select and save seeds for traits and be able to read the weather and subsequent needs.

The business is BS. The goal to corrupt ability. Is it really that difficult to see?
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clappa
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What I see is we are all becoming what we eat. Ill food ill people.
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Very much so !!

For example ... 256 year old Li Ching Yuen

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Some claim that Li Ching-Yuen was born in 1677 in Qijiang County, Sichuan province.[citation needed] In a 1930 New York Times article, Professor Wu Chung-chieh of the Chengdu University discovered Imperial Chinese government records from 1827, congratulating one Li Ching-Yuen on his 150th birthday,[1] and further documents later congratulating him on his 200th birthday in 1877. In 1928, a New York Times correspondent wrote that many of the old men in Li's neighborhood asserted that their grandfathers knew him when they were boys, and that he at that time was a grown man.[2] His obituary in the New York Times reiterates these claims.[3] He began gathering herbs in the mountain ranges at the age of ten, and also began learning of longevity methods, surviving on a diet of herbs and rice wine. He lived this way for the first 40 years of his life.

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He worked as a herbalist, selling lingzhi, goji berry, wild ginseng, he shou wu and gotu kola along with other Chinese herbs,
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