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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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CNN's accusing Putin of being a crazy conspiracy theorist making decisions off "wrong set of facts".
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Putin is a GLP member.

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Doom is off..Putin got scared off by Obama's and Kerry's threats. Russia loses again to the US.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46651400


You're either very stupid or very ignorant and have not been paying attention.
 Quoting: The Endless Watchers


Nothing has happened in past few hours and Putin has held back
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46651400

If you think Putin is holding back because he is afraid, you are dead wrong. The mans a smart tactician. If anything, he's sitting back and watching the West's move and is formulating how to fuck us the best. Calm before the storm.
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Doom is off..Putin got scared off by Obama's and Kerry's threats. Russia loses again to the US.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46651400


You're either very stupid or very ignorant and have not been paying attention.
 Quoting: The Endless Watchers


Nothing has happened in past few hours and Putin has held back
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46651400

If you think Putin is holding back because he is afraid, you are dead wrong. The mans a smart tactician. If anything, he's sitting back and watching the West's move and is formulating how to fuck us the best. Calm before the storm.
 Quoting: The Endless Watchers


putin freaked out becuse of sanctions doom over
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no action so doom off
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quitter!
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is ok doom will come sooner or later with out any warning
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You're either very stupid or very ignorant and have not been paying attention.
 Quoting: The Endless Watchers


Nothing has happened in past few hours and Putin has held back
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46651400

If you think Putin is holding back because he is afraid, you are dead wrong. The mans a smart tactician. If anything, he's sitting back and watching the West's move and is formulating how to fuck us the best. Calm before the storm.
 Quoting: The Endless Watchers


putin freaked out becuse of sanctions doom over
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54668952

I'm sure that China would be more than willing to start trading more proactively with Russia if the West imposed economic sanctions on them. Considering, they do share a border in the eastern part of Russia.
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Doom is off..Putin got scared off by Obama's and Kerry's threats. Russia loses again to the US.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46651400


You're either very stupid or very ignorant and have not been paying attention.
 Quoting: The Endless Watchers


Nothing has happened in past few hours and Putin has held back
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46651400

If you think Putin is holding back because he is afraid, you are dead wrong. The mans a smart tactician. If anything, he's sitting back and watching the West's move and is formulating how to fuck us the best. Calm before the storm.
 Quoting: The Endless Watchers


Since their naval base is secure, they really don't have to do anything. Cruise missles can hit Ukraine anytime. No need for now.
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You're either very stupid or very ignorant and have not been paying attention.
 Quoting: The Endless Watchers


Nothing has happened in past few hours and Putin has held back
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46651400

If you think Putin is holding back because he is afraid, you are dead wrong. The mans a smart tactician. If anything, he's sitting back and watching the West's move and is formulating how to fuck us the best. Calm before the storm.
 Quoting: The Endless Watchers


Since their naval base is secure, they really don't have to do anything. Cruise missles can hit Ukraine anytime. No need for now.
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But Russia also knows that the US has funded the radicals that ousted the pro-Russian president. They also know that this is most likely not the end of this conflict. And to think anything less would be silly. Russia wants the Ukraine, they have many valuable resources, not to mention the fact that the West wants to put up the missile shield to near complete the surrounding of the RU.
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[link to www.youtube.com] documentary on the last battle in the crimea between russians and germans in world war 2
And here we are staring at each other through an electronic............ error goto ram

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Doom is off..Putin got scared off by Obama's and Kerry's threats. Russia loses again to the US.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46651400


You're either very stupid or very ignorant and have not been paying attention.
 Quoting: The Endless Watchers


Nothing has happened in past few hours and Putin has held back
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46651400


He's going to try and take the Crimea without firing a shot if he can, as he knows an all-out assault will just cause a massive backlash against him all around the world and lead to a serious confrontation with EU/NATO/US. So, Putin has got small bands of troops (with any identifying insignia removed) going around and essentially bullying the Ukrainian troops in the Crimea and waging psychological warfare against them - in the hope they just cave in and leave. Obviously Russia wants the Crimea, and obviously they could take it by force without breaking a sweat. However, it's better to lay siege to the Crimea instead as they'll get what they want eventually, and without too much backlash.

But, what happens when/if the Ukrainian troops don't leave? What happens when the Russians have to get a bit tougher and actually get rid of them by force?

What happens if there's trouble in the eastern Ukraine and Russia feels compelled to go in and protect "its" people there?

What happens if the US sanctions turn out to be quite tough and Russia is forced to retaliate in some way?

There are a number of ways this situation could deteriorate. Sure, it could all fizzle out as well....but it's far too early to make that call.
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NATOSource ‏@NATOSource · 6m
.@zbig Brzezinski: US airborne units should be on "high readiness for some immediate airlift to Europe"


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Anything new in the last few hours, or are we all still just deeply concerned?
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Everyone has looked at Putin and told him that the International Community is very disappointed in his shenanigans.
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They are just peeved and jealous, because they will now not be first choice in the Antichrists cabinet of 10
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Doom is off..Putin got scared off by Obama's and Kerry's threats. Russia loses again to the US.
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You're kidding, right ? !!

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Again, same thing went on here last summer when MB protesters and police and army were sniped. MB tried to blame police/army, but who sniped them? We had enough evidence later to show it wasn't them...so, definitely another force, the "Third Force" as we call it.
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And same thing happened during the Irak war where mysterious snipers were also shooting down US soldiers, which you can imagine would prompt more searches, stress and violence towards the local people in return...

The real question is : Does anyone have the guts to say who these mysterious snipers must be ?
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secrets
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CIA plants?
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Getting warm
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Russian TV "Russia is Wrong"

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The rt owners have said she wouldn't be punished for saying this, that is her right, they allow to their journalists. They also have sent her to Crimea to see and record first hand. She should love it!
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Russia banned the import of Ukraine 20 tons of walnuts.
  On Tuesday, March 4th, the press service of the Federal Service for Veterinary and Phytosanitary Surveillance (Rosselkhoznadzor)


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Dennis Kucinich just explained everything on O'Reilly. He was talking about how Soros - Obama & co. went into the Ukraine with paid protesters, CIA, the IMF, NWO, and overthrew the pro-Russian government. All the facts were laid out well.

It was pretty damning. It was a good video. If anyone wants to hear what is really happening. Someone should post the video up if it is out there yet.
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throw these guys in the mix and I will piss my pants.


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Is everyone in China's military the same height? That's just weird.
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this is a special "showcase" unit which has very strict requirements, so you have to be between 175 and 180 cm to join or something like that, that's why they appear to be of the same height
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Yes they measure everything. Including your cap size.

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Dennis Kucinich just explained everything on O'Reilly. He was talking about how Soros - Obama & co. went into the Ukraine with paid protesters, CIA, the IMF, NWO, and overthrew the pro-Russian government. All the facts were laid out well.

It was pretty damning. It was a good video. If anyone wants to hear what is really happening. Someone should post the video up if it is out there yet.
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I'd like to see that.
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Dennis Kucinich just explained everything on O'Reilly. He was talking about how Soros - Obama & co. went into the Ukraine with paid protesters, CIA, the IMF, NWO, and overthrew the pro-Russian government. All the facts were laid out well.

It was pretty damning. It was a good video. If anyone wants to hear what is really happening. Someone should post the video up if it is out there yet.
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I just looked, don't see it up yet. Thanks AC!
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The USA is not, will not, fight over Crimea or even
the 2 or 3 easternmost provinces.
Silly idea and I think NATOSOURCE or OP is full of
feathers.
Crimea has been a net drain on Ukraine financially beyond
Putin's man stealing 40 billion USD in gold reserves.
Ukraine can and will live without Crimea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55169269


Not Putin's or Russia's to take as far as international law is concerned. If Crimea is conceded, why not whole country of Ukraine, and Poland, and Czec and Baltics.
 Quoting: Woot Woot


I think you are wrong about this. First off Russia could make the claim that the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine was unlawful as Crimeans did not have a vote. Probably this would fail legally insofar as it was too long ago and Russia since recognized that Crimea is part of Ukraine.

Second they could have Crimea to decide to secede. It is not violation of international law for a region to secede. The problem here is that it would be hypocritical of Russia as it is opposed to a number of secessionist movements in its own territory. A counter-argument to hypocrisy is that the "First" point above makes this a different situation - if a people is wrongly transferred to another country, and then they really want to come back home, why does it violate international law if this happens just because some other people who hate them and run the country object?

In the end really there is no international law on this. Or if there is, please do provide a citation and a link, I would be happy to see what law there is.

International law is also a set of principles that are not always followed. Consider, for example, Israel. What it is doing in the West Bank, in terms of annexation, plunder, etc., is infinitely worse than what Russia would be doing with Crimea (which really was separated only 20 years ago). Yet if you criticize Israel you are some monstrous Jew-hating anti-Semite, but if you defend Russia than you are Putin's bitch....
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Anything new in the last few hours, or are we all still just deeply concerned?
 Quoting: Canuck_Hillbilly


I just saw on the news Russia was pulling the troops out.Where did da doom go?
Is this a tactic?
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looks like DOOM off
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Dennis Kucinich just explained everything on O'Reilly. He was talking about how Soros - Obama & co. went into the Ukraine with paid protesters, CIA, the IMF, NWO, and overthrew the pro-Russian government. All the facts were laid out well.

It was pretty damning. It was a good video. If anyone wants to hear what is really happening. Someone should post the video up if it is out there yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54568324

No video but link about it.

Dennis Kucinich Blames US Meddling for Russian Invasion


[link to www.newsmax.com]
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Believe it or not. Russians can shot B-2 off the sky.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55159830


Name one time that's been accomplished.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47833679


Well, Serbs knocked down f-117A. Not quite B-2 standard but it was first time back then. They did apologize latter and explained they just didnt see it. Funny those Serbs. ;) S-400 would probablly close the deal with 90% hit ratio.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55159830

It was discovered a long time ago that World War II era radars could detect stealth materials because they operate on lower frequencies. Radars operated by China and Russia have been upgraded to use this ability. Stealth materials are largely obsolete except for those countries that use old radars (Iraq). The US has spent a lot of money on the F-35 because this enriches the defense industry. All the effort to make this plane stealthy to old radars has made it less maneuverable compared to other fighters. It is no match for the Su-27 operated by both Ukraine and Russia. It is no match for the F-16, from what I have read. Radar absorbing materials cannot work on all frequencies. Stealth works good for long range bombers like the B-2 because you always see it edge on from far away. It can launch weapons from distance and never gets close to radars. It remains to be seen if they can be detected with the new radars before they can launch. I would suspect that they can because there has been a lot of time to develop the technology. Stealth is not good for fighters.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45481459


Isn't it also possible to track jets by satellite from their heat exhaust? I don't think USA or NATO has ever fought a country with satellites ... Which incidentally may also have the ability to jam GPS, which might be a problem with some navigational guidance systems.

I would assume if there is a real war it will start in space, knocking out each other's satellites. Until then it is just bluffing.
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lol yeah doom off hahaha.. doom off he just wants the Sudetenland
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PEACE IN OUR TIME!
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If the commentary wasn't so serious and sad rolled into one, your follow-on would be deemed "Epic"
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Wow this Thread just Fucking Died, It looks

like a coyote ate it and shit it off a cliff.

this thread has just gone plop splat.

Long live the GLP Effect Killing Doom off 1 day at

a time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17507338


There is very much opportunity for doom left. Right now everyone is still preparing and posturing. We have different doom vectors, really.

With regard to war, yes, things have died down a bit. Right now people making meaningless ultimatums and stomping their feet. The "West's" press organs are riling up the mob to pressure Russia to capitulate because I think some of the airheads I've been reading on MSM websites really think already US should go to war; question is if they would go themselves. In any event there are numbers of chess moves going on but ultimately this part is relatively fixed at the moment.

One thing that can change this quickly is the "third force". Already claims have been made that Russians are dressing as Ukrainians so they can play provocateur. What this tells us is that we cannot rely solely on someone's uniform, regardless of side - even someone dressed like "protester" could be agent. If, as is likely, the "third force" is trying to shape events and their outcome, they will of course camouflage their attack as one of the participants - protesters, government, Russia, or either side's self-defense forces.

But, with regard to financial doom: the handlers of the West have called their flock into a meeting to discuss the "financial sanctions" to be applied. Soon they will be given marching orders and all appear on TV reading 1 or 2 scripts.

On a related note is the energy doom. Putin has already said if Ukraine does not pay gas bill, Gazprom will cut off gas. In March Ukraine is still quite cold, and people will notice this. It may lead to more itchy fingers, higher tensions, a spark, but in any event a good deal of suffering, perhaps also in Europe.
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The USA is not, will not, fight over Crimea or even
the 2 or 3 easternmost provinces.
Silly idea and I think NATOSOURCE or OP is full of
feathers.
Crimea has been a net drain on Ukraine financially beyond
Putin's man stealing 40 billion USD in gold reserves.
Ukraine can and will live without Crimea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55169269


Not Putin's or Russia's to take as far as international law is concerned. If Crimea is conceded, why not whole country of Ukraine, and Poland, and Czec and Baltics.
 Quoting: Woot Woot


I think you are wrong about this. First off Russia could make the claim that the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine was unlawful as Crimeans did not have a vote. Probably this would fail legally insofar as it was too long ago and Russia since recognized that Crimea is part of Ukraine.

Second they could have Crimea to decide to secede. It is not violation of international law for a region to secede. The problem here is that it would be hypocritical of Russia as it is opposed to a number of secessionist movements in its own territory. A counter-argument to hypocrisy is that the "First" point above makes this a different situation - if a people is wrongly transferred to another country, and then they really want to come back home, why does it violate international law if this happens just because some other people who hate them and run the country object?

In the end really there is no international law on this. Or if there is, please do provide a citation and a link, I would be happy to see what law there is.

International law is also a set of principles that are not always followed. Consider, for example, Israel. What it is doing in the West Bank, in terms of annexation, plunder, etc., is infinitely worse than what Russia would be doing with Crimea (which really was separated only 20 years ago). Yet if you criticize Israel you are some monstrous Jew-hating anti-Semite, but if you defend Russia than you are Putin's bitch....
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Russia was signing party to the Treaty or whatever back in '94 with US & UKingdom that cede Crimea to Ukraine. Everybody recognized the boundaries of the Ukraine, which is important to internat law as I understand it. Seperation of Crimea from UK is an internal matter to which Russia has no standing other than practical concerns of their warm water port lease not being renewed. No different really than the US base in Cuba.

Of course in matters of civil war, however law goes out the window and, might makes right ... a circumstance President Putin is well aware of.





GLP