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KipKat User ID: 25952351 Netherlands 08/13/2014 07:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Wait, i thought they had an agreement on this convoy a few days ago. Why this last minute turnaround? Lavrov lied, what else is new... Americans have a phrase that describes the Lavrov/Putin dynamic, 'good cop, bad cop.' It's more like corrupt cop/ even more corrupt cop.... :kkwapper: |
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°Lucy° User ID: 61526290 Germany 08/13/2014 07:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61578788 Wait, i thought they had an agreement on this convoy a few days ago. Why this last minute turnaround? Lavrov lied, what else is new... There was a agreement, or why would the Ukrainian Emergency Situations Service setup a camp for the convoy? Please provide a link to the official paper with the agreement.. All there was was confusion, sides talking straight past eachother and the usual political games from all sides..... :communication: Yeah, communication is the problem all along it seems. If you want a copy of official paper, I suggest you ask the official departments. Here all we can do is going by what actions are actually taking. And honestly, why would Kiev set up a camp for the convoy but dismantling it today all of a sudden . Looks like the where expecting it and going to allow the aid, only to change mind again. "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is." |
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°Lucy° User ID: 61526290 Germany 08/13/2014 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 FEARS THAT PUTIN WILL USE REJECTION OF AID CONVOY AS PRETEXT FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION - NATO Quoting: Janey What a henhouse NATO is.... First they fear Aid convoy is a invasion - not let it in now they fear rejection of aid convoy could be a reason for invasion... "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is." |
KipKat User ID: 25952351 Netherlands 08/13/2014 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 There was a agreement, or why would the Ukrainian Emergency Situations Service setup a camp for the convoy? Please provide a link to the official paper with the agreement.. All there was was confusion, sides talking straight past eachother and the usual political games from all sides..... :communication: Yeah, communication is the problem all along it seems. If you want a copy of official paper, I suggest you ask the official departments. Here all we can do is going by what actions are actually taking. And honestly, why would Kiev set up a camp for the convoy but dismantling it today all of a sudden . Looks like the where expecting it and going to allow the aid, only to change mind again. Maybe they really wanted the real aid to come in, but russia reneged on the conditions the ICRC set? Nobody really knows but the players in this entire debacle/farce. :kkwapper: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61530618 Japan 08/13/2014 07:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 49 Sek. Quoting: °Lucy° ANOTHER BROKEN #UKRAINE GOVERNMENT PROMISE: #Russia #aid camp dismantled in #Kharkiv region [link to www.kyivpost.com] … … #cdnpoli #UN #warcrimes They had already setup a camp for the convoy in Kharkiv, but removed it now. The are hoping to use it as an opportunity to goad Russia into a military attack. That is why they set up a camp to receive aid and then dismantled it as the aid convoy approached. Putin publicly stated he would 'protect' Russian primary language speakers and ethnic Russians. He either lied or failed in epic proportion. Here comes the part where you tell me Putin and Russia are the true victims in this affair. |
RTS REDUX User ID: 57849075 United States 08/13/2014 07:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61578788 Wait, i thought they had an agreement on this convoy a few days ago. Why this last minute turnaround? Lavrov lied, what else is new... is that so? {snip} A day before Mr Avakov said the convoy would not be allowed in, Ukrainian officials set conditions for its entry. Security Council spokesman Andriy Lysenko said aid should pass through a government-controlled border post and be accompanied by Red Cross officials. [link to www.bbc.com] Where is his agreement he said he had with the ICRC? can you read? |
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Janey User ID: 61384864 United Kingdom 08/13/2014 07:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: °Lucy° There was a agreement, or why would the Ukrainian Emergency Situations Service setup a camp for the convoy? Please provide a link to the official paper with the agreement.. All there was was confusion, sides talking straight past eachother and the usual political games from all sides..... :communication: Yeah, communication is the problem all along it seems. If you want a copy of official paper, I suggest you ask the official departments. Here all we can do is going by what actions are actually taking. And honestly, why would Kiev set up a camp for the convoy but dismantling it today all of a sudden . Looks like the where expecting it and going to allow the aid, only to change mind again. Maybe they really wanted the real aid to come in, but russia reneged on the conditions the ICRC set? Nobody really knows but the players in this entire debacle/farce. the Red Cross are saying that they have still not been informed of the cargo. delivering the news |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61578186 Portugal 08/13/2014 07:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 FEARS THAT PUTIN WILL USE REJECTION OF AID CONVOY AS PRETEXT FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION - NATO Quoting: Janey My worry would be that he will just order them to cross the border anyway and "hope" that Ukraine attacks it, which would clearly be a pretext for an intervention. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61576239 Serbia 08/13/2014 07:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61578788 Wait, i thought they had an agreement on this convoy a few days ago. Why this last minute turnaround? Lavrov lied, what else is new... is that so? {snip} A day before Mr Avakov said the convoy would not be allowed in, Ukrainian officials set conditions for its entry. Security Council spokesman Andriy Lysenko said aid should pass through a government-controlled border post and be accompanied by Red Cross officials. [link to www.bbc.com] Where is his agreement he said he had with the ICRC? Did you ever see any agreement for humanitar aid? USA have agreement since they supply with medic kit and meal UKR army? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61530618 Japan 08/13/2014 07:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61578788 Wait, i thought they had an agreement on this convoy a few days ago. Why this last minute turnaround? Lavrov lied, what else is new... Americans have a phrase that describes the Lavrov/Putin dynamic, 'good cop, bad cop.' It's more like corrupt cop/ even more corrupt cop.... No, my phrase refers to the principle of the Hegelian Dialectic. Law and corruption would be a misinterpretation of the American idiom. |
Janey User ID: 61384864 United Kingdom 08/13/2014 07:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 FEARS THAT PUTIN WILL USE REJECTION OF AID CONVOY AS PRETEXT FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION - NATO Quoting: Janey My worry would be that he will just order them to cross the border anyway and "hope" that Ukraine attacks it, which would clearly be a pretext for an intervention. NATO sources have told me this morning that if Russia diverts the convoy to a border area controlled by the separatists then it will enter Ukraine whether Kiev likes it or not. The downside to that is Kiev are making a lot of noise about such a scenario being an open attack from Russia. delivering the news |
PIR User ID: 54058774 United States 08/13/2014 07:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 FEARS THAT PUTIN WILL USE REJECTION OF AID CONVOY AS PRETEXT FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION - NATO Quoting: Janey My worry would be that he will just order them to cross the border anyway and "hope" that Ukraine attacks it, which would clearly be a pretext for an intervention. I think he will make a huge media play of it showing all of the tons of food and supplies the people could have had and just take it back to Russia. He KNOWS Kiev will not send aid trucks to the people of the east. Hell...they cannot even feed their own army let alone starving civilians! This will make Russia look good...amd Ukraine AND the US who is calling the shots look BAD! |
°Lucy° User ID: 61526290 Germany 08/13/2014 07:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Maybe they really wanted the real aid to come in, but russia reneged on the conditions the ICRC set? Quoting: KipKat Nobody really knows but the players in this entire debacle/farce. Maybe.. there is confusion all along. But that confusion is so heavily stirred by everyone and even inside the organizations confusion seems to reign. Proper communication between them directly seems non existent. If it wasn't that sad, all the people suffering, it would be hilarious, a true farce. Look how many meetings it took to finally sort of agree that there is a humanitarian crisis. But nobody got moving. Russia got moving now and all of a sudden Kiev wants to send aid and EU too... I am really deeply sorry for all the people suffering because of international incompetence "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is." |
FormerlyBritish User ID: 60582120 United States 08/13/2014 07:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 49 Sek. Quoting: °Lucy° ANOTHER BROKEN #UKRAINE GOVERNMENT PROMISE: #Russia #aid camp dismantled in #Kharkiv region [link to www.kyivpost.com] … … #cdnpoli #UN #warcrimes They had already setup a camp for the convoy in Kharkiv, but removed it now. The are hoping to use it as an opportunity to goad Russia into a military attack. That is why they set up a camp to receive aid and then dismantled it as the aid convoy approached. Putin publicly stated he would 'protect' Russian primary language speakers and ethnic Russians. He either lied or failed in epic proportion. Here comes the part where you tell me Putin and Russia are the true victims in this affair. Compare it with the German air raid on Coventry on 14 November 1940. It would have been easy to save Coventry from the worst of the devastation. But then Hermann Göring would have known that the enigma code had been broken. Sometimes in war you have to let awful things happen even though you could stop them. Make no mistake Russia is fighting for its very survival, and on behalf of the rest of the BRICS who will fall if Russia were to fall. |
PIR User ID: 54058774 United States 08/13/2014 07:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 FEARS THAT PUTIN WILL USE REJECTION OF AID CONVOY AS PRETEXT FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION - NATO Quoting: Janey My worry would be that he will just order them to cross the border anyway and "hope" that Ukraine attacks it, which would clearly be a pretext for an intervention. NATO sources have told me this morning that if Russia diverts the convoy to a border area controlled by the separatists then it will enter Ukraine whether Kiev likes it or not. The downside to that is Kiev are making a lot of noise about such a scenario being an open attack from Russia. Right...food...water...blankets and medicines to civilians who have suffered war crimes is an attack? In whose universe would this be an "attack"? Has Kiev gone totally insane? Last Edited by PIR on 08/13/2014 07:43 AM |
Janey User ID: 61384864 United Kingdom 08/13/2014 07:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 FEARS THAT PUTIN WILL USE REJECTION OF AID CONVOY AS PRETEXT FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION - NATO Quoting: Janey My worry would be that he will just order them to cross the border anyway and "hope" that Ukraine attacks it, which would clearly be a pretext for an intervention. NATO sources have told me this morning that if Russia diverts the convoy to a border area controlled by the separatists then it will enter Ukraine whether Kiev likes it or not. The downside to that is Kiev are making a lot of noise about such a scenario being an open attack from Russia. Right...food...water...blankets and medicines to civilians who have suffered war crimes is an attack? In whose universe would this be an "attack"? Has Kiev gone totally insane? I often think the whole world has gone insane delivering the news |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61523243 Portugal 08/13/2014 07:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 FEARS THAT PUTIN WILL USE REJECTION OF AID CONVOY AS PRETEXT FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION - NATO Quoting: Janey My worry would be that he will just order them to cross the border anyway and "hope" that Ukraine attacks it, which would clearly be a pretext for an intervention. NATO sources have told me this morning that if Russia diverts the convoy to a border area controlled by the separatists then it will enter Ukraine whether Kiev likes it or not. The downside to that is Kiev are making a lot of noise about such a scenario being an open attack from Russia. Right...food...water...blankets and medicines to civilians who have suffered war crimes is an attack? In whose universe would this be an "attack"? Has Kiev gone totally insane? Have you seen what is inside the trucks to be so sure? |
eV3y User ID: 45982387 United States 08/13/2014 07:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 FEARS THAT PUTIN WILL USE REJECTION OF AID CONVOY AS PRETEXT FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION - NATO Quoting: Janey My worry would be that he will just order them to cross the border anyway and "hope" that Ukraine attacks it, which would clearly be a pretext for an intervention. I think he will make a huge media play of it showing all of the tons of food and supplies the people could have had and just take it back to Russia. He KNOWS Kiev will not send aid trucks to the people of the east. Hell...they cannot even feed their own army let alone starving civilians! This will make Russia look good...amd Ukraine AND the US who is calling the shots look BAD! I'm thinking BOTH these opinions are highly possible. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* I can't force people to accept the truth, but I can expose them to it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61530618 Japan 08/13/2014 07:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 FEARS THAT PUTIN WILL USE REJECTION OF AID CONVOY AS PRETEXT FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION - NATO Quoting: Janey What a henhouse NATO is.... First they fear Aid convoy is a invasion - not let it in now they fear rejection of aid convoy could be a reason for invasion... :ludean: Putin has numerous ways to deescalate this aid convoy debacle and force Kyiv's hand. Remove the tarps from the trucks so their contents can be verified. Allow UN obervers to travel with the trucks. |
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°Lucy° User ID: 61526290 Germany 08/13/2014 07:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine to bar border passage for Russian relief convoy — minister World August 13, 15:10 UTC+4 Kiev authorities had guaranteed the convoy’s safe passage through Kiev-controlled territories, however, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday [link to en.itar-tass.com] "He who people call a fool is not a fool, but he who takes flattery for Truth, is." |