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< DL > User ID: 49296592 United States 04/06/2014 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Has anyone followed this Ukraine reporter for some time? I know biased, but wondering if info in past has been legit? Last Edited by < DL > on 04/06/2014 03:18 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50943278 Slovenia 04/06/2014 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Has anyone followed this Ukraine reporter for some time? I know biased, but wondering if info in past has been legit? Quoting: < DL > i remember many of his tweets posted here. some are truth, some very biased, the last one posted is based on what? imagination? of course it has potential, but who says so? SBU? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56498563 United States 04/06/2014 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 So Kharkov, Donetsk, Luhansk, and Odessa are all in the Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box pro-Russian uprising camp, either the Ukrainian Government must act swiftly to put it down now or they should just walk away from it and turn it over to Russia. Know that if they move in Russia well most likely send in Ground Forces to help them. So for Ukraine it is now or never. excellent short analysis/\ Its a catch 22 for Ukraine - If they respond with force, then Russia will use as a provocation for invasion to 'protect'. If they dont respond, then possible Crimea scenario from lack of action anyway. The best bet is to knock it down quick and early before it gets too big. Disagree. At this point the dissent is at least as focused on regional autonomy as it is on joining Russia. Ukraine still has the option to move in that direction with the new constitutional changes. A crackdown, especially if bloody, will be fatal to the regime. Stop! you are making too much sense! You must be a paid Russian shill! Living in the US, that would not be a good idea. A national emergency has been declared and I could be sanctioned without due process of law. A Moscow account in rubles wouldn't do me much good. If Russia attacks the US I am a patriot. US never cared about any of this when there was a real cold war. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 04/06/2014 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @StateOfUkraine: #Russian coordinator/agent: 100% that #Ukrainian special forces are coming to #Donetsk within few hours Quoting: < DL > @StateOfUkraine: #Russian coordinator: Flight time between #Kiev and #Donetsk is 50 minutes Quoting: < DL > Well we will see if the Ukrainian Government has loyal Army troops to the Ukraine and if they are willing to fight this is debatable. |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/06/2014 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @gerrydogma: Russian has refused US request under the terms of the Vienna Document for meeting to explain Russia’s military buildup on Ukrainian border. Quoting: < DL > They've had a bunch of those meetings already. US never listens so it is waste of time. Doesn't US have satellites? What do we spend $1 trillion / year for on war/spying if they can't even figure out on their own if there are 100,000 troops on Russian border or not? LMAO. Sun_dancer |
Ozarkian User ID: 44911719 Guatemala 04/06/2014 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @StateOfUkraine: Goal of #Donetsk operation appears to be to hold ground for 2-3 days so that #Russia can invade mainland #Ukraine Quoting: < DL > I thought the goal was to hold a referendum. I don't think it was prelude to military invasion. We'll quickly know. I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/06/2014 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT BREAKING NEWS: Pro-Russian protesters seize govt buildings in Ukraine's Kharkov Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56489846 How do you determine the legitimate govt of Ukraine? The protesters that seized the govt buildings in Kiev, or the protesters that seized govt buildings in Kharkov? It doesn't seem to me that there IS a legitimate govt in Ukraine. I have no idea why the US recognised the protesters in Kiev as legitimate. What was special about them? It's all political - if they do what US wants, they are "good"; if they go against what US wants, they are "evil". But this is of course with some variance - in February Right Sector was good, because they were fighting against someone who believed the Russian relationship was better than the EU one for Ukraine; but as soon as this group seized power, they start to crack down on them. US is really quite opportunistic - same with the liver-eating Salafists in Syria for example. Sun_dancer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56480353 Croatia 04/06/2014 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19820747 excellent short analysis/\ Its a catch 22 for Ukraine - If they respond with force, then Russia will use as a provocation for invasion to 'protect'. If they dont respond, then possible Crimea scenario from lack of action anyway. The best bet is to knock it down quick and early before it gets too big. Disagree. At this point the dissent is at least as focused on regional autonomy as it is on joining Russia. Ukraine still has the option to move in that direction with the new constitutional changes. A crackdown, especially if bloody, will be fatal to the regime. Stop! you are making too much sense! You must be a paid Russian shill! Living in the US, that would not be a good idea. A national emergency has been declared and I could be sanctioned without due process of law. A Moscow account in rubles wouldn't do me much good. If Russia attacks the US I am a patriot. US never cared about any of this when there was a real cold war. there was never a REAL cold war. But they are glad you think otherwise. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35410860 United States 04/06/2014 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 In Kiev, interim prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk told the cabinet over the weekend that the new price for gas was unfair and Ukraine would not pay it. Last week, Russia announced two successive price hikes in gas for Ukraine, taking it up to $485.50. It is unclear what Russia will do if Ukraine refuses to pay the new price, but in the past it has shut off the supply. Diplomatic relations between Russia and Ukraine remain strained, with each country in effect accusing the other of state-sponsored terrorism. Russia, meanwhile, said a group of Ukrainians supported by the country's security services had been detained for planning terrorist attacks. [link to www.theguardian.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19820747 United States 04/06/2014 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT BREAKING NEWS: Pro-Russian protesters seize govt buildings in Ukraine's Kharkov Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56489846 How do you determine the legitimate govt of Ukraine? The protesters that seized the govt buildings in Kiev, or the protesters that seized govt buildings in Kharkov? It doesn't seem to me that there IS a legitimate govt in Ukraine. I have no idea why the US recognised the protesters in Kiev as legitimate. What was special about them? It was 'special' enough that most of 'protesters' were mercenaries - paid roughly from $200 up to $2000USD - DAILY! The number of 1-2000 'protesters' that were destroying the city and fighting with police multiply with all days of chaos and fake 'revolution' in the city of nearly 3.000.000 people gives a simple result. BULL SHIT No one of euromaidan was paid. NO ONE. The Kremlin tried their damndest and they could not even create false evidence to that effect. It was a legitimate protest unlike what Yanukovych, Putin, and Ahmetov are doing. |
Kish42 User ID: 47240732 United States 04/06/2014 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Myroslava Petsa ‏@myroslavapetsa · 5m Quoting: Newshunter In #Kharkiv, pro-Russia protesters seize regional government building gandalf greybeard ‏@gerrydogma · 1m First Donetsk and Luhansk, now reports that the government building in Kharkiv has been seized. Kiev running out of time before RU steps in. If this whole ukraine thing is the spark of ww3... history has been made with this post lol. Kish42 |
Ozarkian User ID: 44911719 Guatemala 04/06/2014 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT BREAKING NEWS: Pro-Russian protesters seize govt buildings in Ukraine's Kharkov Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56489846 How do you determine the legitimate govt of Ukraine? The protesters that seized the govt buildings in Kiev, or the protesters that seized govt buildings in Kharkov? It doesn't seem to me that there IS a legitimate govt in Ukraine. I have no idea why the US recognised the protesters in Kiev as legitimate. What was special about them? It's all political - if they do what US wants, they are "good"; if they go against what US wants, they are "evil". But this is of course with some variance - in February Right Sector was good, because they were fighting against someone who believed the Russian relationship was better than the EU one for Ukraine; but as soon as this group seized power, they start to crack down on them. US is really quite opportunistic - same with the liver-eating Salafists in Syria for example. I think you mentioned that you've lived there. I'm horribly jeolous of that. I've been there twice and it's a beautiful country with beautiful people. I hate to see this happening to them. I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50943278 Slovenia 04/06/2014 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT BREAKING NEWS: Pro-Russian protesters seize govt buildings in Ukraine's Kharkov Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56489846 How do you determine the legitimate govt of Ukraine? The protesters that seized the govt buildings in Kiev, or the protesters that seized govt buildings in Kharkov? It doesn't seem to me that there IS a legitimate govt in Ukraine. I have no idea why the US recognised the protesters in Kiev as legitimate. What was special about them? It was 'special' enough that most of 'protesters' were mercenaries - paid roughly from $200 up to $2000USD - DAILY! The number of 1-2000 'protesters' that were destroying the city and fighting with police multiply with all days of chaos and fake 'revolution' in the city of nearly 3.000.000 people gives a simple result. BULL SHIT No one of euromaidan was paid. NO ONE. The Kremlin tried their damndest and they could not even create false evidence to that effect. It was a legitimate protest unlike what Yanukovych, Putin, and Ahmetov are doing. you have a fair point. not one of the peaceful protesters was paid. but someone attempted assassination of yanukovych. that is hardly peaceful or legitimate. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50943278 Slovenia 04/06/2014 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Ozarkian How do you determine the legitimate govt of Ukraine? The protesters that seized the govt buildings in Kiev, or the protesters that seized govt buildings in Kharkov? It doesn't seem to me that there IS a legitimate govt in Ukraine. I have no idea why the US recognised the protesters in Kiev as legitimate. What was special about them? It was 'special' enough that most of 'protesters' were mercenaries - paid roughly from $200 up to $2000USD - DAILY! The number of 1-2000 'protesters' that were destroying the city and fighting with police multiply with all days of chaos and fake 'revolution' in the city of nearly 3.000.000 people gives a simple result. BULL SHIT No one of euromaidan was paid. NO ONE. The Kremlin tried their damndest and they could not even create false evidence to that effect. It was a legitimate protest unlike what Yanukovych, Putin, and Ahmetov are doing. you have a fair point. not one of the peaceful protesters was paid. but someone attempted assassination of yanukovych. that is hardly peaceful or legitimate. not to mention wounded 86 police officers with gunfire and killed 14. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56498563 United States 04/06/2014 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @noclador: @20committee puts it straight: Quoting: < DL > "Until now #Ukraine has behaved like Czechs. If they want to keep their country it's time to act like Poles." Yeah, armchair pundit cowards really love to egg on others to a fight, don't they now? As an American this is what I fear most. This is disgraceful like the way the US egged on the Hungarians in 1954. At least there was a real cold war. It will be much more damaging to American international interests this time if this does not settle. The uselessness of America as an ally will reverberate everywhere and poison NATO. They may think they can use a backlash against Russia to move elsewhere like Syria but the cynicism will be obvious and that could easily fail too. That is a dangerous route for America to take. Americans won't support war to back up those we have actual treaties with. Let alone this foolishness in Ukraine. The American leadership has gotten lazy with its puppet press and has lost touch with its own country. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19820747 United States 04/06/2014 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Turchynov cancels trip to Lithuania to combat pro-Russian separatists in Donetsk, Luhansk [link to www.kyivpost.com] |
Newshunter User ID: 22608763 United States 04/06/2014 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @noclador: @20committee puts it straight: Quoting: < DL > "Until now #Ukraine has behaved like Czechs. If they want to keep their country it's time to act like Poles." Yeah, armchair pundit cowards really love to egg on others to a fight, don't they now? armchair pundit? You really are too much. I mean it's nice to have a little objectivity. The guy is a pro. He may be a "US pro", but he's still a pro. |
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Sun_dancer User ID: 48671548 United States 04/06/2014 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @StateOfUkraine: #Russian coordinator/agent: 100% that #Ukrainian special forces are coming to #Donetsk within few hours Quoting: < DL > They may park some trucks or people on the runway. Just like the Maidan people blocked train tracks when Berkut re-inforcements were headed for Ukraine. [link to news.dneprcity.net] ; [link to www.bbc.com] ("About 50 opposition activists are blocking the tracks in front of a train carrying paratroopers from Dnepropetrovsk to Kiev"). Sun_dancer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1593102 United States 04/06/2014 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Many people in the Eastern half of the country naturally feel tied to Russia as it was part of Russia (including Kiev) under the Czars since the late 1600's.... and then after that....part of the Soviet Union. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56054964 .......approx 300 years. Kiev is the birthplace of Russia, around 800 - 900AD ..... that's being downplayed but it was the location of the beginning of the line of Russian princes which continued right up to the 20th century. The Mongol hords, of which Tartars are remnants, controled the area for centuries, which is what really destroyed the continuity of the Russian Kiev relationship. Lithiuanian and later Polish princes controlled the area for a while, basically using the Ukraine as a slave labor resource. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56498563 United States 04/06/2014 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56498563 Disagree. At this point the dissent is at least as focused on regional autonomy as it is on joining Russia. Ukraine still has the option to move in that direction with the new constitutional changes. A crackdown, especially if bloody, will be fatal to the regime. Stop! you are making too much sense! You must be a paid Russian shill! Living in the US, that would not be a good idea. A national emergency has been declared and I could be sanctioned without due process of law. A Moscow account in rubles wouldn't do me much good. If Russia attacks the US I am a patriot. US never cared about any of this when there was a real cold war. there was never a REAL cold war. But they are glad you think otherwise. When it comes to war it is real when it is real in the minds of those fighting it. The cold war qualifies. I am not sure you remember. As for the rest, my thoughts are my own. By contrast, this dog will never hunt. |
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