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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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Troops moving from base in Western Ukraine.


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Huge number, now the point is: when Ukraine will use this? lol
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Dempsey Reassures NATO Allies on Ukraine

[link to www.defenseone.com]
 Quoting: Newshunter



From the link: (sounds like some "red lines" are being set)

“We’re trying to tell [Russia] not to escalate this thing further into Eastern Ukraine, and allow the conditions to be set for some kind of resolution in the Crimea,” Dempsey said in an interview with PBS Newshour’s Judy Woodruff.

“But the message we are sending militarily is to our NATO allies,” he said.

When asked if there is a chance of U.S. military intervention in the Ukraine crisis, Dempsey replied, “That’s a question that I think deserves to be assessed and reassessed and refreshed as this thing evolves.”

“But remember,” he added, “we do have treaty obligations with our NATO allies. And I have assured them that if that treaty obligation is triggered, we would respond.”
 Quoting: Newshunter


Russia is not the one trying to escalate things, the opposite.

Seeing through the conditioning - many will be fooled again I can see it already

putin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55315132


I totally agree with you on this. I see this as the US and EU poking the bear, until the bear has to react. Some people are brainwashed. If they would only think about what Obama, and the bankers that back him, are all about, they would realize what is really happening. It must be the GMO's and fluoride in the water that is clouding their minds.
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But it really is SO much more complicated than that,Kat. Look at the intercepted call between the US Diplomat & the Assistant Secretary of State, during which the Diplomat said, "Fuck the EU!" & the sentiment was affirmed by the Assistant Secretary of State! The more I learn, the less I know & the more convinced I am that there is a hell of a lot more going on than I, for one, understand.
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AP: Warning shots fired, foreign military observers barred from entering Crimea, reporter says

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03/08 18:28 RUSSIAN DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER, UKRAINE AMBASSADOR HAVE "FRANK" DISCUSSION - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
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the Ukrainian side got clear info first hand what they should do to avoid armed conflict? Until now, Russia's officials didn't want even to talk to them. As it was the situation with Georgia. Now they talk.
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Media coverage is really backing off on this. I suspect, now, that the whole situation is going to cool off, at least publicly.
 Quoting: The Årtist


media is going into hush-hish mode because it is spiralling out of control of the US and EU - its escalating into war, and your governments dont really want war, they want to crawl in front of Putin, and not quarrel with him.
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You know, there are a lot of AC posters here that really need to register. Because comments like the one above is something I'd green karma.

I agree with you.
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what if you don't give a flying flip about all the karma BS?
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That's fine and understandable. I only give green and never give red. But your point of view is fair. All it really is is the gamification and the ego needing to feel good about giving green or receiving green or someone's ego to give red. It's a dumb game, I do not disagree. Here, have some green! Lol
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Ukraine Liveblog: UNCONFIRMED but concerning report that Russian troops are taking territory north of Crimea [link to DON'T_USE-THIS]
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Nothing is gonna happen
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Gonna happen!!
What's wrong with you ??
Almost 100 people died and we are back to Cold War feelings!!!

iamwith
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100% something is gonna happen

2 weeks ago i had a dream of my whole family rushing to cross the border with Poland as refugees, going across some fields.

it was before even the shooting started in Kiev, so i think it is something.
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I see this as the US and EU poking the bear, until the bear has to react. Some people are brainwashed. If they would only think about what Obama, and the bankers that back him, are all about, they would realize what is really happening. It must be the GMO's and fluoride in the water that is clouding their minds.
 Quoting: katballoo


its not only Oabamna and his banksters, its also the people, we, the people of Ukraine who fight to separate from Russia.

if US, banksters, NWO or whomever, for whatever reasons chooses to support us - its fine with me, and most of our people. this is what matters to us - our national liberation struggle.
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Not sure why you don't have a flag, but until you do, I won't consider you to be Ukrainian. Sorry.
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gotta be a record for pins...at least 30 times!

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RT @W7VOA: Austria, Italy governments confirm 2 passports used to board #MH370 had been stolen.
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RT @W7VOA: Austria, Italy governments confirm 2 passports used to board #MH370 had been stolen.
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Wrong thread.
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I see this as the US and EU poking the bear, until the bear has to react. Some people are brainwashed. If they would only think about what Obama, and the bankers that back him, are all about, they would realize what is really happening. It must be the GMO's and fluoride in the water that is clouding their minds.
 Quoting: katballoo


its not only Oabamna and his banksters, its also the people, we, the people of Ukraine who fight to separate from Russia.

if US, banksters, NWO or whomever, for whatever reasons chooses to support us - its fine with me, and most of our people. this is what matters to us - our national liberation struggle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55315665


Not sure why you don't have a flag, but until you do, I won't consider you to be Ukrainian. Sorry.
 Quoting: katballoo


i DONT KNOW!

one time it shows me to be from Czech Republic, or from US, now im without flag...

im using my mom's laptop now, before i used my own, and public library. not using any anonymizier or anything.

dont know why it does so
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independent from Russia, i didnt mean totally independent.
its national liberation war for us - to fully separate from Russia
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55212291

And one more question for you. You had more than 23 years of national independence. Russia acknowledged it did very littel to interfere in your affairs up until now. What prevented you from building the kind of state you wanted all this time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55212291


as i said country was and is split - two parts pulling in opposite directions, Parliament split the same as people are, president always representing one OR other part, and cannot ignore the other part of the country which opposes him - we're stuck.

we've been for last 23 years.

now, revolution (supported by western and central Ukraine, opposed by east and south, incl Crimea) has won and ousted Putin's puppet. Putin angry - wants to beat us back into submission.

i, personally, have always been and am in favor of peaceful separation like former Chechoslovakia - it would be better for all.
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You have got to be the biggest idiot or the most transparent shill on this thread if you expect anyone to take your comments seriously. Calling a western planned, organized, staffed, funded & instigated ousting of the duly elected President of the Ukraine(not to mention the snipers shooting people on all sides, just to add more fuel to the fire) "a revolution".
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yeah, riight....

and its the Ukrainian military occupying Crimea
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55315665


Part of it is, yes! 70% of Crimea is Russian! Russia has a military installation in Crimea, they are protecting their people. Can you not read between the lines? Has most people in America so dumbed down that you can't see what is really going on? Come on! Obama is pure evil personified. The bankers behind him are evil and only out for themselves and the NWO. WAKE UP!!!!!
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Crimea is part of Ukraine, stop. There are borders. I am really sorry for russian people living there who doesn't like Ukraine, but they can even move to Russia Federation, there is enough space for all and no one stop them.
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France24 showed a lady who said she was in 1948 or something like that, and she said I was born in Russia, back then this was Russia, and I will vote in the Referendum to join them again. There's a huge population of "Russians" there, born in Russia, and later became Autonomous State Crimea part of Ukraine! So what you say is not quite right - majority of population there would disagree with you, they were born there why should they leave their home?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55315132


Exactly...they shouldn't leave their homes. What the eff is the West doing way over on that side of the world anyways. Why don't they mind their own business and stop meddling in everybody else's. Oh...that's right, they think the whole world is their business.
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independent from Russia, i didnt mean totally independent.
its national liberation war for us - to fully separate from Russia
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55212291

And one more question for you. You had more than 23 years of national independence. Russia acknowledged it did very littel to interfere in your affairs up until now. What prevented you from building the kind of state you wanted all this time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55212291


as i said country was and is split - two parts pulling in opposite directions, Parliament split the same as people are, president always representing one OR other part, and cannot ignore the other part of the country which opposes him - we're stuck.

we've been for last 23 years.

now, revolution (supported by western and central Ukraine, opposed by east and south, incl Crimea) has won and ousted Putin's puppet. Putin angry - wants to beat us back into submission.

i, personally, have always been and am in favor of peaceful separation like former Chechoslovakia - it would be better for all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55315665


You have got to be the biggest idiot or the most transparent shill on this thread if you expect anyone to take your comments seriously. Calling a western planned, organized, staffed, funded & instigated ousting of the duly elected President of the Ukraine(not to mention the snipers shooting people on all sides, just to add more fuel to the fire) "a revolution".
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Dempsey Reassures NATO Allies on Ukraine

[link to www.defenseone.com]
 Quoting: Newshunter



From the link: (sounds like some "red lines" are being set)

“We’re trying to tell [Russia] not to escalate this thing further into Eastern Ukraine, and allow the conditions to be set for some kind of resolution in the Crimea,” Dempsey said in an interview with PBS Newshour’s Judy Woodruff.

“But the message we are sending militarily is to our NATO allies,” he said.

When asked if there is a chance of U.S. military intervention in the Ukraine crisis, Dempsey replied, “That’s a question that I think deserves to be assessed and reassessed and refreshed as this thing evolves.”

“But remember,” he added, “we do have treaty obligations with our NATO allies. And I have assured them that if that treaty obligation is triggered, we would respond.”
 Quoting: Newshunter


Russia is not the one trying to escalate things, the opposite.

Seeing through the conditioning - many will be fooled again I can see it already

putin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55315132

both Russia and the West are trying to convince you and me that they, unlike other side, are not escalating shit. What they are really doing you know as much as I do. And I don't have a fucking clue.
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RT @W7VOA: Austria, Italy governments confirm 2 passports used to board #MH370 had been stolen.
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Wrong thread.
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We hope.
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Report: Russia may suspend nuclear arms inspections in a treaty with the US in reaction to Western sanctions over Ukraine, Russian news agencies quoted an unnamed defense ministry source as saying - @itvnews
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"You have got to be the biggest idiot or the most transparent shill on this thread if you expect anyone to take your comments seriously. Calling a western planned, organized, staffed, funded & instigated ousting of the duly elected President of the Ukraine(not to mention the snipers shooting people on all sides, just to add more fuel to the fire) "a revolution"."

^^This as naive as it gets folks.

I'm sure the putintards are gonna neg rep me again. They can't get off his nuts.
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Nothing is gonna happen
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53940534


Gonna happen!!
What's wrong with you ??
Almost 100 people died and we are back to Cold War feelings!!!

iamwith
 Quoting: Limpan


100% something is gonna happen

2 weeks ago i had a dream of my whole family rushing to cross the border with Poland as refugees, going across some fields.

it was before even the shooting started in Kiev, so i think it is something.
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Its certain that something big is going to happen very soon, everything suggests that russia is just bringing up its reserves before the blitzkrieg, this quiet time is just the calm before the shitstorm
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James Miller‏@MillerMENA·4 mins
Ukraine Liveblog: UNCONFIRMED but concerning report that Russian troops are taking territory north of Crimea [link to DON'T_USE-THIS]
 Quoting: Newshunter


Just updated: [link to www.interpretermag.com]


Quote:
What we know is that large military convoys are on the move in Crimea, and they are headed north. Though the reports that they have already captured territory north of Crimea is unconfirmed (read previous update) it is clear that Russian troops are headed in the direction of mainland Ukraine.

Also note the earlier reports of more Russian troops on the way to Crimea from just across the Taman Bay, and we could be looking at a massive escalation of the Russian military.
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Part of it is, yes! 70% of Crimea is Russian! Russia has a military installation in Crimea, they are protecting their people. Can you not read between the lines? Has most people in America so dumbed down that you can't see what is really going on? Come on! Obama is pure evil personified. The bankers behind him are evil and only out for themselves and the NWO. WAKE UP!!!!!
 Quoting: katballoo


Crimea is part of Ukraine, stop. There are borders. I am really sorry for russian people living there who doesn't like Ukraine, but they can even move to Russia Federation, there is enough space for all and no one stop them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55317225


France24 showed a lady who said she was in 1948 or something like that, and she said I was born in Russia, back then this was Russia, and I will vote in the Referendum to join them again. There's a huge population of "Russians" there, born in Russia, and later became Autonomous State Crimea part of Ukraine! So what you say is not quite right - majority of population there would disagree with you, they were born there why should they leave their home?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55315132


Exactly...they shouldn't leave their homes. What the eff is the West doing way over on that side of the world anyways. Why don't they mind their own business and stop meddling in everybody else's. Oh...that's right, they think the whole world is their business.
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"way over on that side of the world" is actually on EU's border. Moron.
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I see this as the US and EU poking the bear, until the bear has to react. Some people are brainwashed. If they would only think about what Obama, and the bankers that back him, are all about, they would realize what is really happening. It must be the GMO's and fluoride in the water that is clouding their minds.
 Quoting: katballoo


its not only Oabamna and his banksters, its also the people, we, the people of Ukraine who fight to separate from Russia.

if US, banksters, NWO or whomever, for whatever reasons chooses to support us - its fine with me, and most of our people. this is what matters to us - our national liberation struggle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55315665


Not sure why you don't have a flag, but until you do, I won't consider you to be Ukrainian. Sorry.
 Quoting: katballoo


i DONT KNOW!

one time it shows me to be from Czech Republic, or from US, now im without flag...

im using my mom's laptop now, before i used my own, and public library. not using any anonymizier or anything.

dont know why it does so
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this guy is a switch hitter to create flack...working for the enemy...if you can identity who that is
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James Miller‏@MillerMENA·4 mins
Ukraine Liveblog: UNCONFIRMED but concerning report that Russian troops are taking territory north of Crimea [link to DON'T_USE-THIS]
 Quoting: Newshunter


Just updated: [link to www.interpretermag.com]


Quote:
What we know is that large military convoys are on the move in Crimea, and they are headed north. Though the reports that they have already captured territory north of Crimea is unconfirmed (read previous update) it is clear that Russian troops are headed in the direction of mainland Ukraine.

Also note the earlier reports of more Russian troops on the way to Crimea from just across the Taman Bay, and we could be looking at a massive escalation of the Russian military.
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DL's UNCLE's DOOM hiding
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Troops moving from base in Western Ukraine.


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Yes!!!

Lets get all those pieces into position.

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Media coverage is really backing off on this. I suspect, now, that the whole situation is going to cool off, at least publicly.
 Quoting: The Årtist


media is going into hush-hish mode because it is spiralling out of control of the US and EU - its escalating into war, and your governments dont really want war, they want to crawl in front of Putin, and not quarrel with him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55315665


I've been keeping tabs on various military forums and I think this, far from cooling off, is about to escalate. The Ukranians have been smarter than most people give them credit for in this crisis. The government in Kiev, despite the trumped up media coverage regarding alleged defections, seems to now be well and truly in command of the vast majority of the Ukranine's armed forces. Also the last few weeks have given time for the Ukraine to mobilize fully. The Ukraine now feels that is has western support, especially from eastern members of NATO (Poland especially; and Poland is a major power in that locality with some very respectable armed forces).

The rhetoric from Kiev has been hardening (see mainstream media reports from today about Ukraine government 'not giving up Crimea' no matter what), and despite a pathetic diplomatic pantomime from American, British, German and French politicians, the Ukraine has the support it needs (or feels that it needs) from it's neighbours immediately to the west. Also of note is that, despite weak political statements the US has nevertheless been moving pretty serious military assets to the theatre.

Ukraine is gaining in confidence and I would think there is a pretty realistic chance of them moving on Crimea very soon. Time will tell...
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gotta be a record for pins...at least 30 times!

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pins? hell. look at the number of posts and views:

posts: 35,164

views: 1,600,189


dance
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yea but that's not a record...but don't think i've seen the same thread repinned so many times

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gotta be a record for pins...at least 30 times!

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pins? hell. look at the number of posts and views:

posts: 35,164

views: 1,600,189


dance
 Quoting: Littlefeather


yea but that's not a record...but don't think i've seen the same thread repinned so many times
 Quoting: No More Lies


true. and, btw, I think WW3 is gonna be some kind of a record too :)
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ohyeah
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1610 GMT: More reports from Chongar (or Chonhar) where Novaya Gazeta reports that Russian troops have places Russian flags and established a minefield between the town on Chongar and the village of Mykolaivka, north of there. Effectively, this closes off one of the major routes that Ukrainian forces would have to take in order to reach the Crimean peninsula (map).

Novaya Gazeta posts these pictures of the minefield:





[link to www.interpretermag.com]
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CNN International desk editor -

Hamdi‏@HamdiATL·16 mins
Convoy of military vehicles from Feodosiya in eastern #Crimea travelled through #Simferopol heading to the border post @ Armyansk. #Ukraine
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James Miller‏@MillerMENA·4 mins
Ukraine Liveblog: UNCONFIRMED but concerning report that Russian troops are taking territory north of Crimea [link to DON'T_USE-THIS]
 Quoting: Newshunter


Tzar Putin means to annex Crimea, all the rest of Ukraine,
Georgia, and Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

then he will rest for a while to consolidate his power base.
 Quoting: Littlefeather


Agreed, Putin as a bare minimum wants the ex-Soviet states back to make USSR 2.0, i think ultimately he wants the Warsaw Pact back, he want to turn back the clock to 1985 just before Gorbachev came to power.

I dont think he wants western europe at all though, that would be a bridge to far and he only wants the cold war, not a hot war that would destroy everything he has built, so i dont see it going nuclear, but quite a lot of conventional violence now seems inevitable.





GLP