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| Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind  User ID: 81740670  United States01/02/2023 06:50 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've aged out. The ones you need to convince are those of childbearing age that aren't having kids. Quoting: Seer777 Technology, Covid, cost of living, gross politics, rumors of war, school shootings, and internet porn hasn't helped the fertility rates. The current fertility rate for U.S. in 2022 is 1.782 births per woman, a 0.06% increase from 2021. The fertility rate for U.S. in 2021 was 1.781 births per woman, a 0.11% increase from 2020. T he fertility rate for U.S. in 2020 was 1.779 births per woman, a 0.06% increase from 2019. .06% during Covid lockdown. lol Them the breaks. I dont need to convince anyone of anything. The ones with the required traits will either step up or not. We had this talk in 2013. The trap is set. The hallway has been made a killchute. Same as it ever was. Think of all the folks that america has droned and cluster bombed. They just used the bombing as the backbeat to their coupling. Some become resolute and the others part the way. Besides....you are somewhere in the reproductive organs of your Brothers children. No worries. We will likely have this same conversation in 500 years time...it may just be less digital. I think of it that way as well. If we do reincarnate through our bloodlines..I think that would be pretty cool. I would like to see and live in the future. The past is far less appealing to me. Too hostile and difficult. It's still like that all over the world. I was thinking earlier about if we do choose to come to Earth before we come here, that it would give you a big advantage where you're born. Like does it 'cost' extra to choose where you're born or even to whom? Fun to think about. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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| Sol-tari User ID: 76086843 Australia01/02/2023 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sol-tari Given current conditions...and the knowledge of how those have deteriorated..is there any surprise? Even taking away the desire for the "ideal" conditions (90% divorce rates on behalf of college educated) even for those remaining 10%...well, like you said about hoarding of resources and the effects down the line - simple example being house cost increase (either buying or rent) vs wage growth. Basic necessities such as food are becoming a struggle for the generations after my own, and they were already difficult starting out then. Again tho, we are not mice. While some of the effects can certainly be applied in certain situations to try and apply it directly to humans and the current situation is always going to be rife with difficulties. I mean, if mothers start literally eating their babies...well...we've got a whole other topic to worry about It depends on their consumeristic leanings and moreso on the conditions they place on themselves. For generations these variables were in play in Europe. Until recently, there was no drop in fertility rates. There is something far more devious at play here. Already mentioned, edumakation  There's also the whole equal rights thing, women no longer just being marriage stock and breeding material etc Standards of living went up, and have been declining heavily for all but the top. Can put the blame solely on consumerism if you like, but there's a reason a common "meme" is "when I was your age I had 2 kids and owned my house" "I have a degree and can't afford more then a 1bd apartment" It was true then, and became somewhat of a standard. People barely making rent can not afford a kid. People who don't think ahead might not care and the child will go without in various ways, as will the parents. Those who want some level of stability...conditions are not at all matching. Insert both idiocracy meme and Lucy opening scene "In a hostile environment they choose immortality, in a welcoming one they breed" paraphrased Im somewhere inbetween Maxwells and Laplaces daemons on that. Standards of living are just fine. The thirdworlders in canada feel like they've found utopia. Heck, Im one of those thirdworlders and life is grand. So...you're saying people raised in certain conditions expect certain conditions? And view them as either hospitable or hostile based on prior experience? Should have thought of that myself *Glitches May Occur. Consume(D) At Own Risk |
| Sol-tari User ID: 76086843 Australia01/02/2023 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've aged out. The ones you need to convince are those of childbearing age that aren't having kids. Quoting: Seer777 Technology, Covid, cost of living, gross politics, rumors of war, school shootings, and internet porn hasn't helped the fertility rates. The current fertility rate for U.S. in 2022 is 1.782 births per woman, a 0.06% increase from 2021. The fertility rate for U.S. in 2021 was 1.781 births per woman, a 0.11% increase from 2020. T he fertility rate for U.S. in 2020 was 1.779 births per woman, a 0.06% increase from 2019. .06% during Covid lockdown. lol Them the breaks. I dont need to convince anyone of anything. The ones with the required traits will either step up or not. We had this talk in 2013. The trap is set. The hallway has been made a killchute. Same as it ever was. Think of all the folks that america has droned and cluster bombed. They just used the bombing as the backbeat to their coupling. Some become resolute and the others part the way. Besides....you are somewhere in the reproductive organs of your Brothers children. No worries. We will likely have this same conversation in 500 years time...it may just be less digital. I think of it that way as well. If we do reincarnate through our bloodlines..I think that would be pretty cool. I would like to see and live in the future. The past is far less appealing to me. Too hostile and difficult. It's still like that all over the world. I was thinking earlier about if we do choose to come to Earth before we come here, that it would give you a big advantage where you're born. Like does it 'cost' extra to choose where you're born or even to whom? Fun to think about. I swear to God if theres generational wealth and a class system there ill burn that shit to the ground Joking...but not *Glitches May Occur. Consume(D) At Own Risk |
| Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 81740670 United States01/02/2023 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I dont need to convince anyone of anything. The ones with the required traits will either step up or not. We had this talk in 2013. The trap is set. The hallway has been made a killchute. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67206197 Same as it ever was. Think of all the folks that america has droned and cluster bombed. They just used the bombing as the backbeat to their coupling. Some become resolute and the others part the way. Besides....you are somewhere in the reproductive organs of your Brothers children. No worries. We will likely have this same conversation in 500 years time...it may just be less digital. I think of it that way as well. If we do reincarnate through our bloodlines..I think that would be pretty cool. I would like to see and live in the future. The past is far less appealing to me. Too hostile and difficult. It's still like that all over the world. I was thinking earlier about if we do choose to come to Earth before we come here, that it would give you a big advantage where you're born. Like does it 'cost' extra to choose where you're born or even to whom? Fun to think about. I swear to God if theres generational wealth and a class system there ill burn that shit to the ground Joking...but not I see it like that meme about our ancestors watching us enjoy luxuries they never could have dreamed of. Im sure stuff in the future will suck too. Discomfort keeps us moving forward and problem solving. Like an oyster with a grain of sand. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
| Sol-tari User ID: 76086843 Australia01/02/2023 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I dont need to convince anyone of anything. The ones with the required traits will either step up or not. We had this talk in 2013. The trap is set. The hallway has been made a killchute. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67206197 Same as it ever was. Think of all the folks that america has droned and cluster bombed. They just used the bombing as the backbeat to their coupling. Some become resolute and the others part the way. Besides....you are somewhere in the reproductive organs of your Brothers children. No worries. We will likely have this same conversation in 500 years time...it may just be less digital. I think of it that way as well. If we do reincarnate through our bloodlines..I think that would be pretty cool. I would like to see and live in the future. The past is far less appealing to me. Too hostile and difficult. It's still like that all over the world. I was thinking earlier about if we do choose to come to Earth before we come here, that it would give you a big advantage where you're born. Like does it 'cost' extra to choose where you're born or even to whom? Fun to think about. I swear to God if theres generational wealth and a class system there ill burn that shit to the ground Joking...but not I see it like that meme about our ancestors watching us enjoy luxuries they never could have dreamed of. Im sure stuff in the future will suck too. Discomfort keeps us moving forward and problem solving. Like an oyster with a grain of sand. Or, like Canadian is saying, mouse utopia. There's turning a grain of sand into a pearl, and being buried. Then there's...well however you'd like to word our current situation virtually worldwide. Some may go "I've got enough, I'm good" but as any son of an Emerald mine owner would say...I want more. This can be a good or a bad thing... *Glitches May Occur. Consume(D) At Own Risk |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85038092 Finland01/02/2023 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67206197 It depends on their consumeristic leanings and moreso on the conditions they place on themselves. For generations these variables were in play in Europe. Until recently, there was no drop in fertility rates. There is something far more devious at play here. Already mentioned, edumakation There's also the whole equal rights thing, women no longer just being marriage stock and breeding material etc Standards of living went up, and have been declining heavily for all but the top. Can put the blame solely on consumerism if you like, but there's a reason a common "meme" is "when I was your age I had 2 kids and owned my house" "I have a degree and can't afford more then a 1bd apartment" It was true then, and became somewhat of a standard. People barely making rent can not afford a kid. People who don't think ahead might not care and the child will go without in various ways, as will the parents. Those who want some level of stability...conditions are not at all matching. Insert both idiocracy meme and Lucy opening scene "In a hostile environment they choose immortality, in a welcoming one they breed" paraphrased Im somewhere inbetween Maxwells and Laplaces daemons on that. Standards of living are just fine. The thirdworlders in canada feel like they've found utopia. Heck, Im one of those thirdworlders and life is grand. So...you're saying people raised in certain conditions expect certain conditions? And view them as either hospitable or hostile based on prior experience? Should have thought of that myself They just don´t speak the same language/ act the same. lower education working class vs so called yuppies |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37704023 United States01/02/2023 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [imgur] [link to i.imgur.com (secure)] Quoting: Seer777 I really hope the fbi doesn't look through my porn library it's nothing illegal, just some excessive masochi- I mean... it just shows I'm...quirky...  now I understand why it's a wonder you and I never "talked" |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85038092 Finland01/02/2023 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sol-tari Already mentioned, edumakation There's also the whole equal rights thing, women no longer just being marriage stock and breeding material etc Standards of living went up, and have been declining heavily for all but the top. Can put the blame solely on consumerism if you like, but there's a reason a common "meme" is "when I was your age I had 2 kids and owned my house" "I have a degree and can't afford more then a 1bd apartment" It was true then, and became somewhat of a standard. People barely making rent can not afford a kid. People who don't think ahead might not care and the child will go without in various ways, as will the parents. Those who want some level of stability...conditions are not at all matching. Insert both idiocracy meme and Lucy opening scene "In a hostile environment they choose immortality, in a welcoming one they breed" paraphrased Im somewhere inbetween Maxwells and Laplaces daemons on that. Standards of living are just fine. The thirdworlders in canada feel like they've found utopia. Heck, Im one of those thirdworlders and life is grand. So...you're saying people raised in certain conditions expect certain conditions? And view them as either hospitable or hostile based on prior experience? Should have thought of that myself They just don´t speak the same language/ act the same. lower education working class vs so called yuppies or hippies or what ever. class divide is real. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 67206197  Canada01/02/2023 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've aged out. The ones you need to convince are those of childbearing age that aren't having kids. Quoting: Seer777 Technology, Covid, cost of living, gross politics, rumors of war, school shootings, and internet porn hasn't helped the fertility rates. The current fertility rate for U.S. in 2022 is 1.782 births per woman, a 0.06% increase from 2021. The fertility rate for U.S. in 2021 was 1.781 births per woman, a 0.11% increase from 2020. T he fertility rate for U.S. in 2020 was 1.779 births per woman, a 0.06% increase from 2019. .06% during Covid lockdown. lol Them the breaks. I dont need to convince anyone of anything. The ones with the required traits will either step up or not. We had this talk in 2013. The trap is set. The hallway has been made a killchute. Same as it ever was. Think of all the folks that america has droned and cluster bombed. They just used the bombing as the backbeat to their coupling. Some become resolute and the others part the way. Besides....you are somewhere in the reproductive organs of your Brothers children. No worries. We will likely have this same conversation in 500 years time...it may just be less digital. I think of it that way as well. If we do reincarnate through our bloodlines..I think that would be pretty cool. I would like to see and live in the future. The past is far less appealing to me. Too hostile and difficult. It's still like that all over the world. I was thinking earlier about if we do choose to come to Earth before we come here, that it would give you a big advantage where you're born. Like does it 'cost' extra to choose where you're born or even to whom? Fun to think about. I swear to God if theres generational wealth and a class system there ill burn that shit to the ground Joking...but not There is no there. It is here or it is nowhere. The wealth is the wisdom to do what we can or learn the lesson we must. There is only perspective to the one conciousness. It is the unrestrained subconcious. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 67206197 Canada01/02/2023 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Seer777 I think of it that way as well. If we do reincarnate through our bloodlines..I think that would be pretty cool. I would like to see and live in the future. The past is far less appealing to me. Too hostile and difficult. It's still like that all over the world. I was thinking earlier about if we do choose to come to Earth before we come here, that it would give you a big advantage where you're born. Like does it 'cost' extra to choose where you're born or even to whom? Fun to think about. I swear to God if theres generational wealth and a class system there ill burn that shit to the ground Joking...but not I see it like that meme about our ancestors watching us enjoy luxuries they never could have dreamed of. Im sure stuff in the future will suck too. Discomfort keeps us moving forward and problem solving. Like an oyster with a grain of sand. Or, like Canadian is saying, mouse utopia. There's turning a grain of sand into a pearl, and being buried. Then there's...well however you'd like to word our current situation virtually worldwide. Some may go "I've got enough, I'm good" but as any son of an Emerald mine owner would say...I want more. This can be a good or a bad thing... More what? Responsibility? It's just about doing what you can. Sometimes showmanship is required. Keep them dazzled and if not bedazzled, guessing. The game is not about money. It's about access to the answers. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 67206197 Canada01/02/2023 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67206197 It depends on their consumeristic leanings and moreso on the conditions they place on themselves. For generations these variables were in play in Europe. Until recently, there was no drop in fertility rates. There is something far more devious at play here. Already mentioned, edumakation There's also the whole equal rights thing, women no longer just being marriage stock and breeding material etc Standards of living went up, and have been declining heavily for all but the top. Can put the blame solely on consumerism if you like, but there's a reason a common "meme" is "when I was your age I had 2 kids and owned my house" "I have a degree and can't afford more then a 1bd apartment" It was true then, and became somewhat of a standard. People barely making rent can not afford a kid. People who don't think ahead might not care and the child will go without in various ways, as will the parents. Those who want some level of stability...conditions are not at all matching. Insert both idiocracy meme and Lucy opening scene "In a hostile environment they choose immortality, in a welcoming one they breed" paraphrased Im somewhere inbetween Maxwells and Laplaces daemons on that. Standards of living are just fine. The thirdworlders in canada feel like they've found utopia. Heck, Im one of those thirdworlders and life is grand. So...you're saying people raised in certain conditions expect certain conditions? And view them as either hospitable or hostile based on prior experience? Should have thought of that myself You did. As that is the essence of a free exchange of ideas. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84032112 United States01/02/2023 08:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [imgur] [link to i.imgur.com (secure)] Quoting: Seer777 I really hope the fbi doesn't look through my porn library it's nothing illegal, just some excessive masochi- I mean... it just shows I'm...quirky... now I understand why it's a wonder you and I never "talked" uhh.... if you are kink shaming me right now, save it for someone who cares :) |
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| Huginn User ID: 37704023 United States01/02/2023 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really hope the fbi doesn't look through my porn library it's nothing illegal, just some excessive masochi- I mean... it just shows I'm...quirky... now I understand why it's a wonder you and I never "talked" uhh.... if you are kink shaming me right now, save it for someone who cares :) not at all.. Pain is the name of the game perhaps that makes clear -I found the admission, interesting, to be crystalline Last Edited by Huginn on 01/02/2023 08:41 PM d00bious |
| Sol-tari User ID: 76086843 Australia01/02/2023 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sol-tari I swear to God if theres generational wealth and a class system there ill burn that shit to the ground Joking...but not I see it like that meme about our ancestors watching us enjoy luxuries they never could have dreamed of. Im sure stuff in the future will suck too. Discomfort keeps us moving forward and problem solving. Like an oyster with a grain of sand. Or, like Canadian is saying, mouse utopia. There's turning a grain of sand into a pearl, and being buried. Then there's...well however you'd like to word our current situation virtually worldwide. Some may go "I've got enough, I'm good" but as any son of an Emerald mine owner would say...I want more. This can be a good or a bad thing... More what? Responsibility? It's just about doing what you can. Sometimes showmanship is required. Keep them dazzled and if not bedazzled, guessing. The game is not about money. It's about access to the answers. Hoarding resources of any kind, including answers, for ones own benefit at costs to the others is where we're currently at *Glitches May Occur. Consume(D) At Own Risk |
| Sol-tari User ID: 76086843 Australia01/02/2023 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sol-tari Already mentioned, edumakation There's also the whole equal rights thing, women no longer just being marriage stock and breeding material etc Standards of living went up, and have been declining heavily for all but the top. Can put the blame solely on consumerism if you like, but there's a reason a common "meme" is "when I was your age I had 2 kids and owned my house" "I have a degree and can't afford more then a 1bd apartment" It was true then, and became somewhat of a standard. People barely making rent can not afford a kid. People who don't think ahead might not care and the child will go without in various ways, as will the parents. Those who want some level of stability...conditions are not at all matching. Insert both idiocracy meme and Lucy opening scene "In a hostile environment they choose immortality, in a welcoming one they breed" paraphrased Im somewhere inbetween Maxwells and Laplaces daemons on that. Standards of living are just fine. The thirdworlders in canada feel like they've found utopia. Heck, Im one of those thirdworlders and life is grand. So...you're saying people raised in certain conditions expect certain conditions? And view them as either hospitable or hostile based on prior experience? Should have thought of that myself You did. As that is the essence of a free exchange of ideas. ....the joke there being I'd mentioned that prior. Anywho *Glitches May Occur. Consume(D) At Own Risk |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84032112 United States01/02/2023 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | not at all.. Quoting: Huginn Pain is the name of the game perhaps that makes clear -I found the admission, interesting, to be crystalline Ah yes, clear now. I knew it was either going to be interest or reticence. I always prefer to err on the side of caution when deciding. I mentioned it honestly although it was perhaps a dubious disclosure because I'm trying to compartmentalize less. I figure maybe it will make my decision making more ... conscious? less whimsical? ie less dangerous?  |
| Huginn User ID: 37704023 United States01/02/2023 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | not at all.. Quoting: Huginn Pain is the name of the game perhaps that makes clear -I found the admission, interesting, to be crystalline Ah yes, clear now. I knew it was either going to be interest or reticence. I always prefer to err on the side of caution when deciding. I mentioned it honestly although it was perhaps a dubious disclosure because I'm trying to compartmentalize less. I figure maybe it will make my decision making more ... conscious? less whimsical? ie less dangerous? I understand well, don't be boring that is no fun safe is good less whimsical is okay no one is judging in here perhaps someone will fill you in on why I find it interesting anyways, just my thoughts as they are d00bious |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 67206197 Canada01/02/2023 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Seer777 I see it like that meme about our ancestors watching us enjoy luxuries they never could have dreamed of. Im sure stuff in the future will suck too. Discomfort keeps us moving forward and problem solving. Like an oyster with a grain of sand. Or, like Canadian is saying, mouse utopia. There's turning a grain of sand into a pearl, and being buried. Then there's...well however you'd like to word our current situation virtually worldwide. Some may go "I've got enough, I'm good" but as any son of an Emerald mine owner would say...I want more. This can be a good or a bad thing... More what? Responsibility? It's just about doing what you can. Sometimes showmanship is required. Keep them dazzled and if not bedazzled, guessing. The game is not about money. It's about access to the answers. Hoarding resources of any kind, including answers, for ones own benefit at costs to the others is where we're currently at No...we are currently at the precipice of that wave of information being unleashed. Be careful what you wish for. The internet is/was only a warm up. I tend to look at it like not everyone could afford the library/repository space and they were just collating it for a time. |
| Sol-tari User ID: 76086843 Australia01/02/2023 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sol-tari Or, like Canadian is saying, mouse utopia. There's turning a grain of sand into a pearl, and being buried. Then there's...well however you'd like to word our current situation virtually worldwide. Some may go "I've got enough, I'm good" but as any son of an Emerald mine owner would say...I want more. This can be a good or a bad thing... More what? Responsibility? It's just about doing what you can. Sometimes showmanship is required. Keep them dazzled and if not bedazzled, guessing. The game is not about money. It's about access to the answers. Hoarding resources of any kind, including answers, for ones own benefit at costs to the others is where we're currently at No...we are currently at the precipice of that wave of information being unleashed. Be careful what you wish for. The internet is/was only a warm up. I tend to look at it like not everyone could afford the library/repository space and they were just collating it for a time. I wonder why they couldn't...and why the dead internet theory exists. Moving on *Glitches May Occur. Consume(D) At Own Risk |
