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I thought the stuff I dug up on Jose Delgado was super interesting in this regard but nobody seems to care every time I bumped it.

My pup is going in to be be spayed and I'm super anxious about it.
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Advice: wait until she is 2 plus.

Else you're removing her main growth hormones before she has a chance to utilise them
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She goes in on the 10th and it is widely suggested to do so before their first heat.

I hope it will calm her humping down. I did not think girl dogs would hump but she does way more than my male dog ever did and more aggressively.
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Of course it is.

A good chunk of owners are not only useless, but irresponsible.
They'd crack it over the blood, not keep an eye on the pup so it gets pregnant, and then neglect the consequences...especially for a young dog who's body is not mature enough for pregnancy.

Anywho, as said, was advice
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Oh - humping is domination in dog world. Might have a future pack leader on your hand, which could make her a little aggressive thing.
Get on her socialisation asap, and proper training
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I know it's a dominance thing. She gets crated and squirted with water every time, but it isn't doing much.

I think she is bored but I know why they call female dogs, 'bitches'. She certainly can be.


We signed a contract with the breeder to have her spayed before her first heat.

She was $3500 out the door and it would cost extra $$$ to breed her and break the contract if we don't.


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I know it's a dominance thing. She gets crated and squirted with water every time, but it isn't doing much.

I think she is bored but I know why they call female dogs, 'bitches'. She certainly can be.


We signed a contract with the breeder to have her spayed before her first heat.

She was $3500 out the door and it would cost extra $$$ to breed her and break the contract if we don't.


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it will help

with the other things you are doing

also time

puppy jack russell girl

took a year
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I know it's a dominance thing. She gets crated and squirted with water every time, but it isn't doing much.

I think she is bored but I know why they call female dogs, 'bitches'. She certainly can be.


We signed a contract with the breeder to have her spayed before her first heat.

She was $3500 out the door and it would cost extra $$$ to breed her and break the contract if we don't.


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it will help

with the other things you are doing

also time

puppy jack russell girl

took a year
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I hope so. She has a two hour window in the evening where she gets bad about it. More fetch is probably the solution. The weather is nasty outside so we're all stuck inside.

I always kinda wanted a Jack Russel. I heard they're super smart.

Very energetic.


Crazy storm blowing through right now.
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I know it's a dominance thing. She gets crated and squirted with water every time, but it isn't doing much.

I think she is bored but I know why they call female dogs, 'bitches'. She certainly can be.


We signed a contract with the breeder to have her spayed before her first heat.

She was $3500 out the door and it would cost extra $$$ to breed her and break the contract if we don't.


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it will help

with the other things you are doing

also time

puppy jack russell girl

took a year
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"He accepted hormone treatment with DES, a procedure commonly referred to as chemical castration, as an alternative to prison. Turing died on 7 June 1954, 16 days before his 42nd birthday, from cyanide poisoning. An inquest determined his death as a suicide...."
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Well it's a little dog, likely won't notice much in the size department. Certainly do with my Shepard's, or larger breeds. Have pondered if it contributes to health problems due to removal of said prior to reaching the growth stage, but its not exactly an area vets are likely to investigate. The effects in humans are obvious.

If the tactic is not working, try another. Particularly if it's boredom work up to off leash training so she can run that energy off. They were bred to hunt badgers after all.

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I know it's a dominance thing. She gets crated and squirted with water every time, but it isn't doing much.

I think she is bored but I know why they call female dogs, 'bitches'. She certainly can be.


We signed a contract with the breeder to have her spayed before her first heat.

She was $3500 out the door and it would cost extra $$$ to breed her and break the contract if we don't.


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it will help

with the other things you are doing

also time

puppy jack russell girl

took a year
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I hope so. She has a two hour window in the evening where she gets bad about it. More fetch is probably the solution. The weather is nasty outside so we're all stuck inside.

I always kinda wanted a Jack Russel. I heard they're super smart.

Very energetic.


Crazy storm blowing through right now.
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they are mini pitbulls

might even bee meaner

and their bite is very very strong

I would only suggest to peole who take their dogs everywhere

they need to be constantly busy

and trained properly

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I let her chase prairie dogs

they are just quick enough
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I know it's a dominance thing. She gets crated and squirted with water every time, but it isn't doing much.

I think she is bored but I know why they call female dogs, 'bitches'. She certainly can be.


We signed a contract with the breeder to have her spayed before her first heat.

She was $3500 out the door and it would cost extra $$$ to breed her and break the contract if we don't.


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 Quoting: Seer777


it will help

with the other things you are doing

also time

puppy jack russell girl

took a year
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I hope so. She has a two hour window in the evening where she gets bad about it. More fetch is probably the solution. The weather is nasty outside so we're all stuck inside.

I always kinda wanted a Jack Russel. I heard they're super smart.

Very energetic.


Crazy storm blowing through right now.
 Quoting: Seer777


they are mini pitbulls

might even bee meaner

and their bite is very very strong

I would only suggest to peole who take their dogs everywhere

they need to be constantly busy

and trained properly
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Yes. You should see how fasts she can take down a bully stick.

10 minutes tops.


She had her first one the day after we got her and now wakes me up every morning when she thinks it's time for her morning chew. This morning that was at 4:30 am.

Earlier than usual.
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The sky looks cool rn.

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Well it's a little dog, likely won't notice much in the size department. Certainly do with my Shepard's, or larger breeds. Have pondered if it contributes to health problems due to removal of said prior to reaching the growth stage, but its not exactly an area vets are likely to investigate. The effects in humans are obvious.

If the tactic is not working, try another. Particularly if it's boredom work up to off leash training so she can run that energy off. They were bred to hunt badgers after all.
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I've been reading up on it and there is a type of cancer the risk goes way down for, if they are spayed before their first heat.

I don't really want her to go under the knife at all but there is not a lot of choice in the matter and the benefits outweigh the risks.

I'm just nervous about the anesthesia being I think that is what killed Roman. He was never the same and got way worse after.
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Well it's a little dog, likely won't notice much in the size department. Certainly do with my Shepard's, or larger breeds. Have pondered if it contributes to health problems due to removal of said prior to reaching the growth stage, but its not exactly an area vets are likely to investigate. The effects in humans are obvious.

If the tactic is not working, try another. Particularly if it's boredom work up to off leash training so she can run that energy off. They were bred to hunt badgers after all.
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In castrati they get taller and larger. It's due to adrenal supported growth factors and no closing of the growth plates due to change in testosterone/estrogen balance.

What you are saying is not true.
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Well it's a little dog, likely won't notice much in the size department. Certainly do with my Shepard's, or larger breeds. Have pondered if it contributes to health problems due to removal of said prior to reaching the growth stage, but its not exactly an area vets are likely to investigate. The effects in humans are obvious.

If the tactic is not working, try another. Particularly if it's boredom work up to off leash training so she can run that energy off. They were bred to hunt badgers after all.
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In castrati they get taller and larger. It's due to adrenal supported growth factors and no closing of the growth plates due to change in testosterone/estrogen balance.

What you are saying is not true.
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 Tandler and Grosz obtained an x-ray of the skull in a 20-yr-old Skoptzy man, who had been castrated at age 10 yr and observed that the sella turcica was grossly enlarged..
 Koch obtained x-rays of the skull in 10 Skoptzy men and reported that the pituitary glands were normal in size in 3, enlarged in 4, and“ particularly” enlarged in 3.


Koch reported that thinning of the bones of the skull was evident by x-ray in all of the Skoptzy men examined and that kyphosis was common (Fig. 4) (13). Likewise, Wagenseil observed that 20 of the 31 Chinese eunuchs had kyphosis of the spine (Fig. 5) (18). These observations appear to have been made before it was recognized that kyphosis is a manifestation of severe osteoporosis in women

 and in view of the fact that bone mineral density decreases progressively with time after castration, particularly in the first few years


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Less mass may mean taller, but it also means, well, less mass
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Well it's a little dog, likely won't notice much in the size department. Certainly do with my Shepard's, or larger breeds. Have pondered if it contributes to health problems due to removal of said prior to reaching the growth stage, but its not exactly an area vets are likely to investigate. The effects in humans are obvious.

If the tactic is not working, try another. Particularly if it's boredom work up to off leash training so she can run that energy off. They were bred to hunt badgers after all.
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In castrati they get taller and larger. It's due to adrenal supported growth factors and no closing of the growth plates due to change in testosterone/estrogen balance.

What you are saying is not true.
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Well it's a little dog, likely won't notice much in the size department. Certainly do with my Shepard's, or larger breeds. Have pondered if it contributes to health problems due to removal of said prior to reaching the growth stage, but its not exactly an area vets are likely to investigate. The effects in humans are obvious.

If the tactic is not working, try another. Particularly if it's boredom work up to off leash training so she can run that energy off. They were bred to hunt badgers after all.
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In castrati they get taller and larger. It's due to adrenal supported growth factors and no closing of the growth plates due to change in testosterone/estrogen balance.

What you are saying is not true.
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This process will continue until the “make more bone” cells are given a signal to stop. One of the primary hormonal signals for “close the growth plate” are sexual hormones when the animal goes through puberty.

In spayed and neutered dogs, the primary source of those hormones has been removed - estrogen from the ovaries, testosterone from the testes - and so other, less-strong signals eventually have to send that signal.

This is why dogs altered before sexual maturity tend to be taller than dogs that are left intact until they have reached sexual maturity (and is also likely a contributor to the increased rates of symptomatic joint problems in altered dogs, though the exact increased rates in early-altered dogs seems to vary by breed).



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Testosterone levels are drastically reduced. This in turn gives rise to a host of side effects. “A castrated adult male will lose muscle but gain fat

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Well it's a little dog, likely won't notice much in the size department. Certainly do with my Shepard's, or larger breeds. Have pondered if it contributes to health problems due to removal of said prior to reaching the growth stage, but its not exactly an area vets are likely to investigate. The effects in humans are obvious.

If the tactic is not working, try another. Particularly if it's boredom work up to off leash training so she can run that energy off. They were bred to hunt badgers after all.
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In castrati they get taller and larger. It's due to adrenal supported growth factors and no closing of the growth plates due to change in testosterone/estrogen balance.

What you are saying is not true.
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This process will continue until the “make more bone” cells are given a signal to stop. One of the primary hormonal signals for “close the growth plate” are sexual hormones when the animal goes through puberty.

In spayed and neutered dogs, the primary source of those hormones has been removed - estrogen from the ovaries, testosterone from the testes - and so other, less-strong signals eventually have to send that signal.

This is why dogs altered before sexual maturity tend to be taller than dogs that are left intact until they have reached sexual maturity (and is also likely a contributor to the increased rates of symptomatic joint problems in altered dogs, though the exact increased rates in early-altered dogs seems to vary by breed).



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Lol...I didn't claim anything other than you were incorrect. The bone loss was from continued growth.

Cheers
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Testosterone levels are drastically reduced. This in turn gives rise to a host of side effects. “A castrated adult male will lose muscle but gain fat

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Have another
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Goalposts...you are shooting into the sidelines.

That's punny!
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The sky looks cool rn.

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looks to have quite the disposition
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Well it's a little dog, likely won't notice much in the size department. Certainly do with my Shepard's, or larger breeds. Have pondered if it contributes to health problems due to removal of said prior to reaching the growth stage, but its not exactly an area vets are likely to investigate. The effects in humans are obvious.

If the tactic is not working, try another. Particularly if it's boredom work up to off leash training so she can run that energy off. They were bred to hunt badgers after all.
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In castrati they get taller and larger. It's due to adrenal supported growth factors and no closing of the growth plates due to change in testosterone/estrogen balance.

What you are saying is not true.
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This process will continue until the “make more bone” cells are given a signal to stop. One of the primary hormonal signals for “close the growth plate” are sexual hormones when the animal goes through puberty.

In spayed and neutered dogs, the primary source of those hormones has been removed - estrogen from the ovaries, testosterone from the testes - and so other, less-strong signals eventually have to send that signal.

This is why dogs altered before sexual maturity tend to be taller than dogs that are left intact until they have reached sexual maturity (and is also likely a contributor to the increased rates of symptomatic joint problems in altered dogs, though the exact increased rates in early-altered dogs seems to vary by breed).



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Lol...I didn't claim anything other than you were incorrect. The bone loss was from continued growth.

Cheers
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You'll have to point out where I said "taller".
Plenty of studies that show the differences between castrated and non, including some of the health risks posted here.
Likely why my last was 70-80kg at a healthy fit weight, and my current is 50-60kg.
And unlike the neutered, that's not fat but muscle.

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In castrati they get taller and larger. It's due to adrenal supported growth factors and no closing of the growth plates due to change in testosterone/estrogen balance.

What you are saying is not true.
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This process will continue until the “make more bone” cells are given a signal to stop. One of the primary hormonal signals for “close the growth plate” are sexual hormones when the animal goes through puberty.

In spayed and neutered dogs, the primary source of those hormones has been removed - estrogen from the ovaries, testosterone from the testes - and so other, less-strong signals eventually have to send that signal.

This is why dogs altered before sexual maturity tend to be taller than dogs that are left intact until they have reached sexual maturity (and is also likely a contributor to the increased rates of symptomatic joint problems in altered dogs, though the exact increased rates in early-altered dogs seems to vary by breed).



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Lol...I didn't claim anything other than you were incorrect. The bone loss was from continued growth.

Cheers
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You'll have to point out where I said "taller".
Plenty of studies that show the differences between castrated and non, including some of the health risks posted here.
Likely why my last was 70-80kg at a healthy fit weight, and my current is 50-60kg.
And unlike the neutered, that's not fat but muscle.

Later
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You claimed impeded growth.

I said you were incorrect.

You were.

Tada!

It's magic!
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This process will continue until the “make more bone” cells are given a signal to stop. One of the primary hormonal signals for “close the growth plate” are sexual hormones when the animal goes through puberty.

In spayed and neutered dogs, the primary source of those hormones has been removed - estrogen from the ovaries, testosterone from the testes - and so other, less-strong signals eventually have to send that signal.

This is why dogs altered before sexual maturity tend to be taller than dogs that are left intact until they have reached sexual maturity (and is also likely a contributor to the increased rates of symptomatic joint problems in altered dogs, though the exact increased rates in early-altered dogs seems to vary by breed).



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Do you want to continue repeating yourself, or fuck off?

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Lol...I didn't claim anything other than you were incorrect. The bone loss was from continued growth.

Cheers
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You'll have to point out where I said "taller".
Plenty of studies that show the differences between castrated and non, including some of the health risks posted here.
Likely why my last was 70-80kg at a healthy fit weight, and my current is 50-60kg.
And unlike the neutered, that's not fat but muscle.

Later
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You claimed impeded growth.

I said you were incorrect.

You were.

Tada!

It's magic!
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Don't blame me for jumping to the conclusion growth is limited to height and not other factors such as muscle density
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Lol...I didn't claim anything other than you were incorrect. The bone loss was from continued growth.

Cheers
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You'll have to point out where I said "taller".
Plenty of studies that show the differences between castrated and non, including some of the health risks posted here.
Likely why my last was 70-80kg at a healthy fit weight, and my current is 50-60kg.
And unlike the neutered, that's not fat but muscle.

Later
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You claimed impeded growth.

I said you were incorrect.

You were.

Tada!

It's magic!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67206197


Don't blame me for jumping to the conclusion growth is limited to height and not other factors such as muscle density
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Fat deposits are mass...I'm fully versed in hormonal effects .
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You'll have to point out where I said "taller".
Plenty of studies that show the differences between castrated and non, including some of the health risks posted here.
Likely why my last was 70-80kg at a healthy fit weight, and my current is 50-60kg.
And unlike the neutered, that's not fat but muscle.

Later
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You claimed impeded growth.

I said you were incorrect.

You were.

Tada!

It's magic!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67206197


Don't blame me for jumping to the conclusion growth is limited to height and not other factors such as muscle density
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Fat deposits are mass...I'm fully versed in hormonal effects .
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Explains all the fat athletes...

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